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tlynn 01-20-2015 05:35 PM

As a IU mom of a sophomore also participating in rush, my advice to the moms and daughters who are wavering - accept your bid, try it. Tonight's going to be a lot of fun when you meet your chapters. If it ends up not being a good fit - you don't have to initiate, simple as that, but you may end up being pleasantly surprised. You are bound for a year to that organization regardless if you accept or decline at this point By signing your card, you actually agreed to accept your bid. If you don't initiate you can still participate in formal recruitment next year, but don't expect any miraculous differences. It will actually look worse next year if you go through recruitment and they know you declined your bid this year and Greeks do talk to each other. Good luck with your choices.

IUHoosiergirl88 01-20-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins (Post 2305283)
IndianaSigKap and Hoosier Girl (and any other IU alumnae), isn't harder to secure a place as an upperclassman at IU? If so, the cards that these PNMs are now holding may be the best that they will be dealt at any time. My feel is that the only criterion that might improve their chances is being BFFs with half the chapter.

Pinksequins, you're correct. It is much, much harder to 'improve your chances' as a sophomore at IU. You are competing against your GPA, your involvement, your reputation, and a larger number of 3-year dues/live in fees paying freshmen. Yes, even the top houses will take sophomores (very few), but the greater number will go to houses considered lower tier by PNMs, my own included. If you receive a bid at IU, I cannot recommend enough that you take it and give it a shot. If you still don't like it (after meeting your PC and the 90+ other girls you didn't talk to at recruitment), drop before initiation and go again next year.

No matter what, don't expect the houses you get back to change much unless you become BFFs with MANY members. Not just 1-2, but many. Houses will remember you from last year, and unless your excuse for dropping out was that you decided to move to Africa to deliver clean water...it won't win you any favors.

Griffins&Quills 01-20-2015 05:59 PM

Seconding what tlynn said.

And to add on, the new member period and active life are vastly different than the created environment of recruitment. PNMs need to take the time to try out houses and see what day to day sorority life is actually like after the emotional rollercoaster of recruitment.

pinksequins 01-20-2015 06:00 PM

Thank you IUHoosierGirl88. I think TLynn and her daughter have their heads on right about IU recruitment -- going for the sisterhood experience and fun.

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2015 06:25 PM

Sending out last minute good vibes to all involved parties tonight!

After how crazy last year's IU thread got, I am asking for everyone's patience tonight. Yes, there will be posts that are not very politically correct and maybe a few that are downright unkind. Try to remember that emotions are high tonight.

I have my snacks and am ready for the results to roll in. May the odds be ever in your favor. (Quick reference to last year's thread) ;)

als463 01-20-2015 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2305294)
Sending out last minute good vibes to all involved parties tonight!

After how crazy last year's IU thread got, I am asking for everyone's patience tonight. Yes, there will be posts that are not very politically correct and maybe a few that are downright unkind. Try to remember that emotions are high tonight.


I have my snacks and am ready for the results to roll in. May the odds be ever in your favor. (Quick reference to last year's thread) ;)


Sorry, this was started by me. I was just seeing the same pattern over and over again. It gets annoying after a while but, as the IU alumna has asked--I won't post anything else about it. I love the reference. That's exactly what I'm thinking. It's very Hunger Games.

thetalady 01-20-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka_mo (Post 2305272)
Recruitment went like this:
22 round - some clear favorites; had two rec letters for one house
16 round - only received eight houses: three very promising possibilities, one "wait and see", and three "un-housed"
9 round - received four houses; one she felt a connection with and (again) the same three un-housed
Preference - received three (again the un-housed)
Bid - who knows? Bids come tonight.

I have been up and down with her emotionally through this process. As I have been reading though this thread, I see some criticism of girls who get bids but choose not to pledge. After talking with my daughter and trying to help her explore her options, I believe that is the route she will take. Ultimately it is her decision, but her words to me were "I shouldn't pledge to a house that I don't feel comfortable in. It wouldn't be right." I am supporting her decision, whatever it may be. Part of maturing is making your own decisions and living with the consequences, good and bad.

She says she will try recruitment again, and she has a plan of action (raise GPA, find activities and groups on campus to join, ask for more rec letters, etc.) If it were me, I don't think I'd have the strength to do it again. I applaud her for not giving up on her goal. I am so proud of her.

Do you mean that she went to Pref at the 3 unhoused chapters, then signed the MRABA after Pref, but will choose not to accept a bid from any of them, should she receive one today?

Please tell me that this is NOT what is happening today....

33girl 01-20-2015 08:34 PM

If she signed a bid card, she is bound for a year if any of the sororities she put down gives her a bid so she might as well try it out.

What makes me :rolleyes: at the IU discussions here, there and everywhere on the intraweb is the parents who on one hand are saying how horrible the current system is and how rude and awful the school and the sorority members and Panhel are to not fix it NOW, and then in the next keystroke are completely buying into the concept of the currently unhoused chapters being "less than" and supporting their daughter's choice to just say forget it if that's the 3 chapters she has left.

Katmandu 01-20-2015 08:52 PM

^^^^ this.

You cannot condemn the system and at the same time buy uncritically into all of its worst stereotypes. Housing does not make a sisterhood, even at unique snowflake universities, no matter what everyone says. And I went to a school where chapter houses were a BIG DEAL. But I found out recently that one of the up and coming Christian sororities (unhoused) on my campus has upwards of 130 members..... Gorgeous, active, would be welcomed into all of the "traditional" sororities on campus, but the girls were given a different hand of cards and are playing them. Like I said, housing doesn't make a sisterhood.

scrabblemomb 01-20-2015 09:08 PM

Wow, glad my daughter dropped out before the Hunger Games began (with snacks). She was not after top tiers and has not mentioned recruitment for next year. Just not her thing. Thanks for those who sent best wishes to her! I am a Greek Woman and know that it can be a great thing and had a great experience...but can't believe that so may are supporting such a destructive system.

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scrabblemomb (Post 2305326)
Wow, glad my daughter dropped out before the Hunger Games began (with snacks). She was not after top tiers and has not mentioned recruitment for next year. Just not her thing. Thanks for those who sent best wishes to her! I am a Greek Woman and know that it can be a great thing and had a great experience...but can't believe that so may are supporting such a destructive system.

Please do not mock my posts, I have been nothing but kind. My Hunger Games reference is based on last year's thread and the fact that the author of the Hunger Games is an IU alumna. The snacks is a reference to the fact that I was hungry, I missed lunch today. You are reading snark into my posts where there truly is none.

thetalady 01-20-2015 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scrabblemomb (Post 2305326)
Wow, glad my daughter dropped out before the Hunger Games began (with snacks). She was not after top tiers and has not mentioned recruitment for next year. Just not her thing. Thanks for those who sent best wishes to her! I am a Greek Woman and know that it can be a great thing and had a great experience...but can't believe that so may are supporting such a destructive system.

Exactly WHO do you think is supporting the system at IU??? No one here. It is what it is. If the chapters at IU wanted to change things, I bet they would. Apparently the chapters on campus and the university are happy being the odd duck recruitment. I don't think that anyone here thinks that the situation there is a good situation.

suzy88 01-20-2015 09:21 PM

I have two daughters at IU, one in a housed sorority. I really believe that the un-housed chapters are just as valuable as the others. My daughter would tell you that living in the house has disadvantages. It is crowded and girls don't always get along. However, I can tell you that the general perception around campus is that the un-housed are less desirable. Congratulations to the mature, thoughtful young women who can see past this silliness. A lot of women at this age aren't mature enough to see it. However, I understand why this perception is so prevalent, when the sorority community at IU is so focused on living in the house.

Titchou 01-20-2015 09:24 PM

I don't think you'll find a single person here who "supports" this system. We all want it to change. But guess what? We don't have the power to do it. But we can be supportive of the women who go thru it with an open mind. And we can be supportive of our chapters in this campus and our national organizations who are working hard to bring them in line with other campuses and NPC preference. It doesn't happen over night...but thank you for thinking we're that good! Wish we were...

als463 01-20-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2305329)
Please do not mock my posts, I have been nothing but kind. My Hunger Games reference is based on last year's thread and the fact that the author of the Hunger Games is an IU alumna. The snacks is a reference to the fact that I was hungry, I missed lunch today. You are reading snark into my posts where there truly is none.

Did not know that. Cool! Thanks for sharing that. Go Big Ten!


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