My question is- how would they know? 9 pnm's out of 10 would not walk into a recruitment party and go "hey, I want to be an Alpha Gamma Delta because I already have your ritual and I think it's beautiful."

IFC recruitment does seem a lot more open and direct and I'm with you about that, but aren't you guys more known for kicking out guys you've already given bids to or having one member with the power to blackball a guy?

That seems plenty scary to me but maybe it's myth.

Yes, and I have never been very happy about either.

#1 - Yes, IFC chapters can kick out pledges without a problem. I have only been in favor of this if the pledge is not fulfilling his obligations. The pledge master needs to let him know that his ass is on the line. If the pledge doesn't get it together after that, I have no problem removing him from the chapter. There are members of fraternities who think that it is okay to kick out one pledge to scare the other pledges. I do have a problem with that. Why give a guy a bid, get his hopes up, knowing that you are going to kick him out before initiation.

#2 - How many members can blackball a guy varies from chapter to chapter. My own chapter went from just 1 member to 2 members to 5 members. Some chapters say that 10% of the members present have to vote to blackball. I do not think that 1 member to have that much power.

I have no idea of what they actually saw and whether they retained it, but I get the feeling that the people who brought this up have some proof they could share with the chapters.

Not that they use the procedure for stuff like this, but I can remember once seeing a list of members who had been expelled or people who were forever prohibited from being initiated on one of the national NPHC sites. At the time, I was kind of blown away by the idea of having such a public list of shame.

Do you ever have these flashes of recognition of how NPHC does some stuff better than NPC? I'm having one of those flashes of recognition. Get caught soliciting ritual on the internet with some pretty good proof it was you, get banned from initiation at any of our chapters.

It's just a dream, but it's kind of a nice one.

I guess it may just be a question of when you put the new members though the ringer: NPC recruitment vs. IFC pledgeship.

I'd prefer a better way with the strengths of both and none of the weakness. (Who wouldn't?)

I know that the NPC works really hard at perfecting the system, but it's still an emotional roller coaster for everybody.

I have learned on GreekChat that many GC situations aren't as they first appear and that people often have good reasons what might initially appear to be meanness for meanness's sake. (Sometimes they are just being evil, but trying to tell the difference keeps things lively.)

AGDLynn is very wise with her desire to stay out of spats. Most of the more universally admired members follow a similar policy to sort of stay above the fray, but I can't seem to resist jumping in sometimes despite the good example that they set. Maybe someday. . .

Very much so.

If her name is in the email address, it's very easy to figure out. I'm sure the GC alum are more than willing to let their chapter know about this at the school where she's rushing.

What is the daily snark? Just wondering.....:confused:

^^^ i want in too!

I mean, I would just like to know who is giving out ritual information and how they obtained it.

It bothers me. Ritual is something shared only among initiated members and those that assisted in writing the original ceremonies.

What member would have such disrespect for their GLO that they would willingly hand over their ritual book to some PNM?????

People these days.......:(

The only thing that worries me about this, and I'm not really that worried about it, is the possibility that maybe someone else from here or her old campus who didn't like her created an email profile with her name. Granted that sounds pretty crazy and elaborate, but so does getting other people's ritual before you rush. It's just a question of who the crazy person is: the name in the email address or a different person who created it.

Perhaps we should start a GC mysteries thread.

I can think of at least twice that people have posted awful threads in another person's name trying to ruin that person's recruitment.

That individuals name was not publicly posted here on GC but it's a strange coincidence that since this person was outed, they haven't posted on GC and all of a sudden, their posts & messages in that forum group have mysteriously disappeared as well.

Just out of curiosity...when you're talking about the person being "outed" are you referring to the posts in this thread? (Which just happened last evening, so that person not posting on GC since then could just be a coincidence.) Or are you talking about an "outing" that occurred in the other forum where the rituals are being traded? :confused:

(No particular reason for asking, aside from the fact that I suspect I know who you guys are talking about and was just curious to see if my hunch was correct. lol )