Which is also dumb.

I'm not disagreeing it is what it is, but that doesn't mean it's not something that the NPC could change, either by offering associate membership or some sort of recognition. And I think it's a matter of respect for other organizations.

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

WTF?

FWIW, I think this is a problem even WITHIN the NPC orgs--so many members/PNMs focus on the collegiate/social aspect, sometimes at the expense of the lifelong/history/tradition/alum aspect (not all, of course), and I could see why someone might think that, depending on their experience with/ perceptions of NPC orgs and members. Which is a shame.

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

With deference to DrPhil's answer above, I again, offer my explanation on this point.

First and foremost NPHC orgs focus is service, not social. My understanding is that the NPC is the opposite. Correct me if I am wrong. Not only is the NPHC focus service, it targets a specific community - the AfAm community. Do we serve others and do others gain from our service? Sure they do. Again, to really understand the true purpose of the NPHC you must understand the crucial reasons why we were founded. We were founded to help resolve issues in the AfAm community, so in this respect it is about race.

Joining a NPHC org (and for any other org) should not be about how you join, but why you join and what you do once you are a member. If you feel that a particular GLO fits what you want to do, join. If not KIM.

Oh for sure, but an organization is not likely to get to the numbers and history required to join the NPC if they can't take care of and nurture the chapters they already have. (I mean that as a general statement for any group.)

See this :
This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.
Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

Yet Petunia continues to respond to me.

Just a few posts after the one you responded to, sigmadiva, in response to IrishLake, made clear that she wasn't implying that NPC orgs have no history, tradition, legacy or place in the community.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2054718) Quote: Originally Posted by IrishLake (Post 2054705) Quote: Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2054702) For the NPHC, it is not just joining a sorority per se, it is seen as becoming part of a legacy in an org that has very strong family traditions, and in some cases, expectations. This can also be very NPC. Yeah, I know. I just did not know how else to describe it. :o

Hence, IrishLake's response to you -- sigmadiva had already addressed your concern.

Regardless of whether KBG nationals was a giant box of hair, IMO from what people on here said - including people included with those 2 chapters - the women in the chapters didn't seem to understand the gravity of what they were doing and if they didn't, the older and wiser NPCs colonizing them should have told them. It's the same as if you're pledging a chapter that closes and take a bid from another place. Yes you are entitled and allowed to do that and no you don't have to say anything to your ex-soon-to-be chapter, but it's the good and kind thing to do.

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

NPC/NPHC
 

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

We are both playing basketball; or both playing football. ;) We just have different coaches and different playing strategies.

Our drafts are also much different . . .

I guess. ;)

I just don't like the analogy of playing different sports because that exaggerates our differences and supports why Greek Life and Student Affairs offices at many predominantly white institutions don't know what to do with GLOs that are non-NPC and non-NIC.

"Greetings, First Year students! We have 15 wonderfulllll sororities and fraternities; and 10 historically Black, Hispanic, and Asian sororities and fraternities. That's a total of 25 sororities and fraternities. Fifteen of which are wonderfullllll!!" :D:D:D:D