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Chicago88 01-11-2011 01:02 PM

He was assigned the same lawyer who defended the OKC Bomber. I just don't know if I would feel right defending someone who was guilty, and for some reason they got away with it. None the less I dont think my conscience would allow me to feel right defending someone/ something I feel is horribly wrong.

Kevin 01-11-2011 01:12 PM

It's not the defense attorney's place to approve of or condemn their client's actions. Only to ensure that they have a fair trial where all available defenses are presented honestly and competently. Without that, the system doesn't work.

AZTheta 01-11-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2019540)
He was assigned the same lawyer who defended the OKC Bomber. I just don't know if I would feel right defending someone who was guilty, and for some reason they got away with it. None the less I dont think my conscience would allow me to feel right defending someone/ something I feel is horribly wrong.

That is you and your conscience speaking; thankfully the United States Constitution and the protections it affords is still in effect today. I would not want to live in a country that doesn't provide those protections.

Has civics been dropped from high school curriculums? I know neuroanatomy isn't part of the curriculum but I thought that civics was, as a part of the responsibility to educate people to become citizens of the United States?

AGDee 01-11-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago88 (Post 2019540)
He was assigned the same lawyer who defended the OKC Bomber. I just don't know if I would feel right defending someone who was guilty, and for some reason they got away with it. None the less I dont think my conscience would allow me to feel right defending someone/ something I feel is horribly wrong.

The story I read said he was assigned Ted Kaczynski's lawyer (the Una Bomber)

Munchkin03 01-11-2011 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2019579)
The story I read said he was assigned Ted Kaczynski's lawyer (the Una Bomber)

Judy Clark has represented the Unabomber, Tim McVeigh, the Olympic Bomber, and Susan Smith. The government keeps her pretty busy!

I was listening to a great interview with her this morning on NPR. She said that the main function of their role in cases like this--where they were either caught in the act, confesses, or the evidence is clearly indicative of their guilt--is to get life in prison and not the death penalty.

AZTheta 01-11-2011 03:11 PM

Judy Clarke represented Loughner yesterday at the arraignment in Phoenix. The entire Tucson Federal bench recused itself, as Judge Roll was Chief Judge here in Tucson. The Federal trial will likely be held in Phoenix; and there may also be State charges filed in the death of Christina-Taylor Green, as well as regarding the other victims. A few words about Ms. Clarke:

"Those who know Judy Clarke say she’s never shied away from defending some of the most reviled people in recent history. She represented Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. Her other clients include Atlanta Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph, 9/11 co-conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and Susan Smith, the South Carolina mother who drowned her two sons in 1994.

“She’s a specialist in representing people charged with some of the most heinous crimes you can imagine and she does it with a great deal of compassion, objectivity and thoroughness.” "

Her website has been changed and reveals the following:

http://www.jcsrlaw.net/

AGDee 01-11-2011 03:49 PM

Wow.

Psi U MC Vito 01-11-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 2019547)
That is you and your conscience speaking; thankfully the United States Constitution and the protections it affords is still in effect today. I would not want to live in a country that doesn't provide those protections.

Has civics been dropped from high school curriculums? I know neuroanatomy isn't part of the curriculum but I thought that civics was, as a part of the responsibility to educate people to become citizens of the United States?

Think that depends on the district. I never took a civics class in HS.

AZTheta 01-11-2011 03:57 PM

Vito, is it called Government or something of the sort? Times have changed (we had typing, not keyboarding :D)

ETA: Ms. Clarke was consulted on the McVeigh case, and there is conflicting information on the web as to whether she actually represented him.

knight_shadow 01-11-2011 04:26 PM

When I was in HS (c/o 2002), we had a government class, but it was an AP elective.

I took it, but I don't think others were required to.

AGDee 01-11-2011 04:59 PM

Government/Civics and Phys Ed were the ONLY required courses when I was in high school in 1983. You had to have a certain number of math, english, etc., but those were the only two named as mandatory. It is still required in the state of Michigan.

Chicago88 01-11-2011 06:06 PM

My Government / History / English were all taught by coaches who particularly didn't give a shit. Theyre required but didn't require much effort.

knight_shadow 01-11-2011 06:13 PM

English and history were taught by coaches? That's unfortunate.

Chicago88 01-11-2011 06:19 PM

Sophmore english- volleyball coach
Junior english- football coach
Senior english- cheerleading coach.

PiKA2001 01-11-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2019620)
English and history were taught by coaches? That's unfortunate.

Hold up bro, I know a lot of good teachers who coach as a collateral duty. Educator first, coach second kid of thing.


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