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This is going to sound awful but it's not even like she's the village bicycle, you know? She's not trying to sleep with a bunch of guys, she's trying to get pregnant. Every time!

It's such a vastly different case, too. She's not like the Duggars - it's obvious they're trying to build their own army or start their own nation or something.

She's not like John & Kate who had the resources for "just one more child."

WHY?!? Why would a single mom want 7 kids?

That's my point exactly.

It's her choice, but I (as a tax payer) would not want to have to pay for her choice.

I mean: FOURTEEN children UNDER 7?? FOURTEEN??!!!

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1774438)

I wouldn't say this lady is a childcare expert - I'd say she's a birthing expert.

Can we say that she is cheating considering that she is circumventing the penis?

She'd be cheating if she was an expert at getting pregnant.

However, I've never seen or heard of a penis having anything to do with pushing a baby out of a woman's body.

Actually - once. That man who was pregnant in Hawaii.

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1774464)

I get the anger and distaste about her appearing to want to "cash in" in a sense now after this birth (though most others before her have done just that -- the only other family to have live octuplets were GIVEN a HOUSE -- remember that?).

Where I get a little uncomfortable is getting into the argument about whether she "can" or "should" have the children. If I support a woman's choice not to have a child she doesn't want, how can I not support a woman's choice who does want to have children?

I'm not saying I'd support someone who was having kids to sell them off or who gave them up for adoption or who got pregnant repeatedly just to have abortions. But this is a woman who has a college degree, already has 6 children including a set of multiples, and by all reports, those children are happy and healthy. So who would have the right to tell this woman she "can't" have more children? The fact that every embryo "took", or that the several embryos implanted may have multiplied (which I read in another article), was unexpected and yes, a risk she took. But she chose to keep what she thought at the time were her seven children. Can't that also be argued that she took responsibility for the decisions she made? She's always wanted kids, she took steps to make sure she could have kids, she likes having kids, she's raised 6 kids successfully so far --- will 8 possibly drive her insane? Sure, who knows, but people who have never had kids do it with six right off the bat, at least she has some older kids already that can help and it won't all be brand new to her.

I guess I'm just a little taken aback at the extreme outrage some people are showing and I'm not sure why it's all our business in the first place. Didn't the media initially break this story? I don't remember hearing about her trying to get press or anything when she was pregnant with 7 and already had 6 at home. Unless a woman has a history of abuse or is cheating the social services system or something, to me, this boils down to another variation of supporting a woman's choice, IMO. I wish her and ALL those kids the best. It exhausts me just to think about it.

I don't think if whether she can or should have the children, it's the question of her mental state and the ability of whther or not she by herself can raise them all...this very easily can turn into a Susan Smith or Andrea Yates type situation. Post partum depression? Possible.

It's as some have already said. Some have already stated that even with a job and spouse to help with it all it's a bit of a struggle to raise just one or two. So why on God's green earth would you spend the money that she had with no stability whatsoever that we know of to have enough kids to supply a basketball team including a deep bench? Plus let's add that she is still in her 30's, so who it to stop her from having even more?

Yes, there are no stories of abuse...yet, because we know so little about her but it's just stunning how much MORE info gets dropped almost daily and we, the public just wonder how deep this rabbit hole is going. No abuse but child endangerment? Yeah...possible....she is just one...who is to say while she is bathing one (or 2) something doesn't happen to one of the other dozen? This is not to wish anything bad upon her, but it's just unfathomable to see Mother Hubbard successfully raising these kids. Furthermore, as I asked earlier, how does she plan on earning an income? Heck even if she got a 2 million dollar deal from any network foolish enough to give her a deal, that HAS to get swallowed up by child care and doctor bills.

Not to mention, what kind of example is this setting for her kids as they get older?

So many questions....soooooo many questions.

I'm getting exhausted too trying to figure this out.

Bottom line is, when you can barely take care of yourself, why would you deliberately dig a hole like this?

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1774488)

So wrong...LOL

And she doesn't count...that was NOT a man....heh

...and if I remember correctly...she hasn't had her penis built...yet

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1774481)

It's such a vastly different case, too. She's not like the Duggars - it's obvious they're trying to build their own army or start their own nation or something.

Yeah, they're not like the Duggars at all...I feel like a lot of people have been making that comparison when it's not fair to either party. After all, Jim-Bob and Michelle have been pretty freaking self-sufficient; they built a home for 18 kids debt-free, while this band of freaks can't even keep a 2-bedroom house from foreclosure!

What's going to happen with her autistic child? Has that been confirmed that she does indeed have one autistic child?

My SIL is a Special Ed teacher, and while she was doing student teaching she worked at a school for autistic children. She said it was exhausting. I just have to wonder, how's that kid gonna develop to his or her fullest when mommy has 13 other kids to take care of?

How are the other children going to be alright when mommy has to turn all of her attention to the one with developmental disabilities?

It just doesn't seem fair to any of the kids, really.

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1774497)

True. They may have 19 kids, but they also don't rely on our government for anything. Their kids don't even attend public schools.

Hey, I'm not going to rain on the rant party, I just wanted to add a different view. And who knows what her income is, she was married, maybe she collects alimony? Maybe she does live off her parents -- isn't that their problem to deal with, then? And if she went into this expecting to exploit it, wouldn't she have started media-whoring herself around when she was pregnant and as big as a house with 6 kids already at home?

In any case, it doesn't sound like she'll want for an income, the hospital was getting deluged with calls and requests for her (and that's why the publicists came on board, to field all of the requests and offers), gifts are already arriving, they'll be fine: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,6983653.story

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1774506)

And who knows what her income is, she was married, maybe she collects alimony? Maybe she does live off her parents -- isn't that their problem to deal with, then? And if she went into this expecting to exploit it, wouldn't she have started media-whoring herself around when she was pregnant and as big as a house with 6 kids already at home?

Well it says that she is an "unemployed college student" and the way she was able to pay for the IVF treatments was from her "work accident" settlement.

WHOA!

From the article nittanyalum posted:

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"In the first few days we got calls like 'How dare you do this?' and 'You should have your [medical] license revoked,' " Serrano said. There were even those few who wished the babies would not survive, Serrano said.

The tone on GC is fairly negative, but thank GOD none of us would say that we wished the babies would not survive!

I think, on the whole, there are more questions about the well being of the kids - not that some of them would kick.

I'm disgusted by that.

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1774514)

Well it says that she is an "unemployed college student" and the way she was able to pay for the IVF treatments was from her "work accident" settlement.

She has her bachelor's, she was taking classes in pursuit of a master's, an excerpt and link was posted with that info. previously.

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1774506)

Just a few things to point out from your article:

Some media reports have speculated that Suleman might be paid as much as $2 million for an interview, but Furtney said, "The money itself is not the object."

Riiiiiight.

Furtney said the public will be persuaded that "she is a very good person and someone they should support" after they learn more about her.

We will?

He described her as "very bright" with a "great sense of humor."

I swear I am trying very hard not to laugh, right now.

Her 15 minutes of fame might be fleeting. Diaper makers might donate products in exchange for a positive press mention, but longer-term sponsorship is unlikely, said William Chipps, senior editor of the IEG Sponsorship Report, which tracks and analyzes sponsorships.

And when that reality sets in as the lights dim...

Nannies, baby photographers and breast-feeding women called to offer free services and support.

Some of this is going to get creepy.

Many callers expressed outrage, demanding an explanation about who was going to care for the children and pay for their care.

The (Broke) State of California

The pregnant "man" is really a woman with a man's face. S/he's still has female plumbing, thus, s/he's biologically a girl.

IMO..

he said: "...the other dozen."

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1774517)

She has her bachelor's, she was taking classes in pursuit of a master's, an excerpt and link was posted with that info. previously.

Yeah I know that. I'm not sure what you are getting at.

My post was in reference to your question "who knows what her income is..." I was just stating that it is mentioned she is an unemployed student, so she probably doesn't have a lot of income.