http://www.gsfc.org/main/publishing/...script_faq.pdf

Did the HOPE folks always give the 1 point or only in 2006?

I thought the issue before was that each school system rewarded IB and AP (and gifted and honors) its own way and HOPE treated that "rewarded" grade as the real grade.
The kids in my district got points added to their percentage grade in the class before they were submitted to the HOPE folks, but I didn't think they didn't got anything added by HOPE.

So the HOPE folks standardized with the .5. (They take off whatever is added locally and use the same for everyone.) I have no idea but I though maybe the reference to grades before 2006 getting a full point might be to try to accommodate those systems that gave the kids more credit for AP. It was never presented to our kids like HOPE was cutting back on what they previously awarded. It's interesting to hear about how other schools handle it and what they tell the kids.

But you are completely correct that the recalculated grades probably contributed to a drop in eligibility.

Once a student graduates from a Georgia high school, the final transcript is sent in for Hope calculation. Any weighting done by the school district is thrown out. Here's the link to the information. http://www.gacollege411.org/FinAid/S...alculation.pdf And whoever said that this whole thing was redone as of the class of 2007 was correct. Prior to that, it was a more generous calcuation.

According to the sheet that you linked, how generous it was depended on the district and no doubt some were much more generous. That's why I was so curious about the full point that NUBlueandBlue mentioned. I never heard about that before her post, but it's mentioned for 2006 at the link I posted. Who knew?

recruitment results
 

Hi, I realize this is off the subject of the last post. However, it goes back to something stated earlier in this thread. I was just wondering if anyone has gotten stats for UGA chapters...chapter total, quota, number of new members pledged to each chapter.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...7&postcount=10

Not all chapters had # NMs pledged reported, but there are results posted for most chapters.

thanks
 

Thanks, that was very helpful. I'm still new to greekchat and wasn't sure how to search for the info. I noticed that Ga. Southern still doesn't have most of their numbers posted. How long does it usually take for them to post numbers?

Do you mean on the list that OTW linked? Those numbers come from school published lists, which not many do, or from people who have information. irishpipes updates the lists as she gets the chance.

On that note, quota at Georgia Southern was 38 and AOII got 39.

Thanks Aopirose! I will check back on the list as recruitment progresses. I am also curious to see how things go at Arkansas.

Right. The listing OTW linked you to is just my homemade listing of schools with NPC sororities, their history, and current year recruitment results. I don't have any particular "connections" or inside track to get information or results. I rely on GCers to inform me and then I update my list. Usually we get quick results on Georgia Southern because GCers tend to have a lot of recs written in the south and therefore get results. However, this year things have been quiet regarding GSU and no results have been reported to this point, other than KKG and AOII.

ETA: We posted at the same time. Since you mentioned Arkansas, I guess I do have an inside track there.

Sadly UGA Recruitment was a very painful experience for me.



I came in with:
3.8 gpa
3 yrs of varisty cheerleading
founder of a nationally ranked club sport
5 years of work experience
hundreds of hours of volunteer work
peer counselor
and at least 2 recs from each house
never touched any illegal substances (therefore no "drunk pictures" on facebook)
and I am having a book published in 6 months
In addition I personally knew 1-6 girls in every house visited during Round one, and my boyfriend is related to one of the Chapter Presidents and we'd spoken countless times last year.

After Round Two I had all 12 houses and felt that each house went well and I had meaningful conversations with the girls. Round Three I was cut from all but two.

I was very hurt but tried not to take it personally and really enjoyed my time at PiPhi and AGD.

Prefs morning I received a call 6 minutes before our meeting that I had been dropped.



I understand that it is often a numbers game, but I still feel like something must have happened between Round 1 and 3. How did I go from all 12 to getting completely dropped?

I know God has a plan for me and everything happens for a reason, but it is difficult to understand why this happened.

I also knew several girls who had drunk pictures or had a reputation for being very promiscuous that got bids from their first choice....

It was a learning experience and I guess Greek Life was not meant to be my path.


Best of luck to all the girls and parents of girls who got bids. I hope yalls first chapter meeting went well last night, it was fun to see all the girls dressed up coming back from chapter.

^^^ :(

I know you're hurting, but saying (in effect) "I'm a good girl and some real skanks got bids" is not going to make you feel any better.

With the new release figures, a LOT more girls are being released and it does sometimes come between the second and third rounds. Trust me, better that scenario than going to pref and not receiving a bid after that.

It also could be that your disappointment showed at the 2 parties you went to and was misinterpreted as disinterest.

Just throwing some things out there.

When you said you got "all 12 parties" for round 2, do you mean you got all of your top 12 choices or that you merely had a full schedule? In other words, did you cut any of the chapters after round 1?

To change the subject.....Has anyone seen a list yet for UGA pledges? I had heard that the web guy for UGA was sick last week and that is why no list was published.
Is there one out now? I would love to see where the girls from my town ended up pledging. Thanks

I think the web guy has been sick longer than that! Panhellenic doesn't even have spring grades up. I don't think they post stats anymore.

I still am a bit confused on the matching but after Round 1 I ordered all 17 from what I felt was a best match to least best, so I did not cut any (I think, correct me if I am wrong). Round 2 I had all of my top 12.

33girl- Reading that in hindsight it did come off poorly, I apologize. What I meant was that I had heard that inapropriate pictures on facebook would be severely looked down upon yet it did not seem to matter for some girls. Then again perhaps they had other areas that outweighted a few drunks pictures or a bad reputation and all it took was the right sorority to see that they were nice girls despite some flaws.



Once again, congrats to all the girls who got a bid. After going through part of the process I have a lot of appreciation for all the work that goes into rush and greek life in general.

I have it on very good authority that there is a new person in place learning the ropes and the list will be posted soon.

Don't fret too much about it. There's really no telling what happened, and honestly, it may not be as personal as you think. If you are still interested in Greek life, look for COB opportunities through the Greek Life office and stay in touch with your contacts in the houses.

One doesn't have to be Greek to have a great experience at UGA. I didn't go through recruitment until right before my junior year, and I had a great experience and had a lot of opportunities on campus before I pledged as well as after. I'd encourage anyone interested to rush, but it won't make or break your experience at UGA .

Great! I'll pencil in some stalking!

;)

What I was wondering is if all 17 groups cut you or if you cut some of the groups. If you got all your top 12, there is a chance that some of your bottom 5 may have still been interested in you, but you cut them.

Glad to know the Greek life office is getting back together at Georgia!

violetpretty, speaking on some authority here, chapters that a PNM doesn't rank in her top-whatever don't necessarily cut her right away. Especially not if the campus is using the PNM ranking system as opposed to the see you invite list and accept or regret system.

In fact, a lot of times if chapters are following release figures carefully, they won't cut those girls right away. If they see a girl first round and not at any of the subsequent rounds, they'll probably cut her before pref. But not necessarily after she ranks them lower/regrets them once.

Interesting. I asked about re-inviting girls that you didn't see at one round of parties, and someone told me that you couldn't really do it anymore because it messed up the release figures.

And although I certainly could be wrong, it doesn't seem to be something that is happening at UGA these days. You don't seem to hear about girls getting picked back up third round at houses that they didn't attend for second.

But of course that doesn't mean it would be impossible to do so.

That is correct. It makes a mess.

Let's say a woman goes to 17 chapters round one then ranks 12 of them as 1s and the other 5 as 2-3-4-5-6. Round two she attends all 12 of her 1s. That means she "cut" those 5 chapters. She does not appear on the attendance list for chapters 2-3-4-5-6 and therefore cannot be invited to round three by them. Some chapters try to "re-invite," but if the campus is using Priority ranking and RFM, that re-inviting is futile. The PNMs are only ranking the chapters they attend, and the chapters are only ranking the PNMs in attendance. So they'll never match up.

Some campuses that do Accept/Regret and don't match on ICS or CD might still allow re-inviting. But it is not common and not very helpful for RFM.

I thought this whole "regret with interest" thing was being used more frequently? Or isn't that the case?

I don't have any idea really, but I thought it was less frequent because priority ranking made complicated release figure stuff like flex lists easier.

It is actually becoming more and more obsolete. Campuses are increasingly switching to Priority away from A/R. Some super big ones switched just this year and really benefitted from it. Priority allows for the use of Flex Lists, and flexing makes sure chapters have an adequate number of women coming to their parties.

OK - this is all odd.

My campus switched to priority away from accept/regret my senior year.

We definitely still re-invited people. And were encouraged to even more than we had been during accept/regret time, because it looked less pathetic - with accept/regret, they would see that we kept inviting them back and they'd keep regretting... with priority, if they kept going to other groups, they'd never know they had an active invitation with us. They would only see it in this scenario (using my campus's numbers)

Round 1 they went to all 5 houses, and they ranked my chapter lowest
Round 2 they went to 4 houses - all their top choices
Round 3 they went to 3 houses - only two houses cut them, so they ended up back at my house

Most people didn't experience that drastic cut - most people would be released upfront the first night - so they would never know we were still inviting them. Only a few people would "slip through" so to say, and helped boost our numbers.

That said, we tended to release people if they had not attended our house for two nights in a row.

But our Greek advisors would actually get on us about that because it was usually exceeding the number of releases recommended by Panhellenic!

I'm probably saying too much here, but honestly it seems like what happened at my campus is the opposite of what y'all are saying.

Frankly, though, that could be 'cause y'all are talking about UGA and I'm talking about teensy W&L. :)

I never had any real knowledge of how stuffed worked, even when I was there before release figures, but it might have something to do with the size, like you said. On your campus, it might be easier to hold over a separate list of girls to re-invite, especially because the number of chapters is smaller. Someone may have even done the inviting by hand after the regular parties were matched or something.

LOL - I was membership chair for my chapter and then president - which in Pi Phi at that time were the two officers privy to membership selection (the offices have since been reworked). I did all the re-inviting via computer program. It really wasn't that hard to manage! heh. I doubt it added 2 minutes, at least from the chapter side. And Panhel never said anything about it like it was a problem for them.

:) I do seem to recall some discussion that W&L has a few recruitment practices/traditions that aren't necessarily the same as others. And hey - if it works for them, great. The only way I could see it actually working out is if PNMs were allowed to rank all chapters every night - even if they didn't attend. 99% of campuses out there don't allow that - they only allow PNMs to rank the chapters they attended.

Plus re-inviting just makes a big ole mess for trying to keep up with how many women chapters have in their pool vs. how many they are really releasing. Kinda makes my head spin from a statistical perspective! :D

Typically from a release figure perspective, is the number that a chapter can invite back based on the number of PNMs overall or simply the number of PNMs who attended the last round?

It's based on many different numbers. (Does that help? ha!) Most importantly it is based on how many women a chapter needs at Preference to have the best chance at making Quota. Also based on an estimate of how many PNMs will actually complete the process so the PNMs can be spread out appropriately amongst the chapters. So the number of PNMs attending the previous round weighs in, but not as a primary factor. It's all a function of making sure there are enough women at Preference. Does that make sense?

I think I understand what you are saying from an overall perspective kind of thing: preference numbers drive the rest of the releases. But, what I'm trying to get at is that if a group can't effectively re-invite, how do they compensate from too many PNMs not returning to a given round if their target number is already getting too small?

If they got dropped by girls after second, but could re-invite them for third, they'd be in better shape for pref, right?

Well, two things help with that situation.

#1 - A chapter won't be releasing down to their Preference number on the first round. So if a chapter underperforms (as compared to previous years) in that first round, they will be asked to either not release any the next round or to release fewer than originally planned. If they underperform the night before Preference, they are in a bit of trouble (if they use A/R rather than Priority - see next). But this underperforming is rare.

#2 - Flex Lists. These are used only with Priority as opposed to Accept/Regret. They are the backup plan and in all actuality are re-invitations. So if a chapter has too few PNMs accepting to the next round, some extra PNMs can be added back to the invitation list. Flexing is done before invitations are given to PNMs, so they never know if they were flexed or not.

Thanks! I definitely understood the first part but the second part is definitely illuminating for my understanding of flex lists. I thought flex lists were just extended lists of girls who came back to that round who the chapter would be happy to have back if they didn't have to make any cuts. I didn't realize that chapters could put girls on them who had not attended that round.

Well, they can't. Sorry - I should have clarified. :D Flex plus lists contain women who (1) attended the current round, (2) are not on the invitation list for the next round, (3) the chapter would invite if they could/need. The reason I called them "re-inviting" is because technically those women were released during the current round. And unless a chapter needs them, they won't be invited back.

Sorry for the confusion!

Speaking from my experience with a very large and very competitive Recruitment, re-inviting a PNM who you dropped or who dropped you in a previous round can be done. With the ICS program it is not difficult because all you need to do is go to a previous round's invitation/selection screen where the PNMs name was still listed as an option. (I don't know about any of the other programs used for Recruitment.) However, it does not happen often and only when there is some sort of unique/extreme circumstance.

With that being said though, switching from the old accept/regret to preferential ranking has made this more complicated. The reason being PNMs rank the chapters they attended immediately following the parties -- before the chapters invitation lists are submitted. The PNM would have no idea that XYZ chapter wants to re-invite her and so she wouldn't include them on her ranking list.

Therefore a phone call to Panhellenic is necessary. If the PNM doesn't have a full schedule the re-inviting chapter can be easily added, assuming the PNM wants to accept. If the PNMs schedule is already full, Panhellenic can give her the option to accept the re-invite then cut one of the chapters on her schedule. Or if a PNM had withdrawn from Recruitment (either voluntarily or totally cut) then Panhellenic needs to contact her otherwise she wouldn't even know she had an invitation out there.

Numbers of UGA Sororities
 

Got a copy of this forwarded to me:

Sorority # New Members Total Size
Alpha Chi Omega 58 214
Alpha Delta Pi 60 226
Alpha Gamma Delta 63 209
Alpha Omicron Pi 61 204
Chi Omega 61 197
Delta Delta Delta 62 200
Delta Gamma 40 146
Delta Zeta 63 198
Gamma Phi Beta 58 206
Kappa Alpha Theta 61 213
Kappa Delta 62 220
Kappa Kappa Gamma 60 218
Phi Mu 59 224
Pi Beta Phi 62 196
Sigma Delta Tau 56 160
Sigma Kappa 61 182
Zeta Tau Alpha 58 198