Motion the floor to add hoodies and sandals with socks to the list?

Aye

Motion seconded. Also, 'jeans' should be clarified as to exclude dark colors, torn, baggy, or any other metro-like modifications. Jeans should be worn in their intended and unmolested form.
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He needs a belt.

Wow. Obviously I'm not in a fraternity, but I'm thinking this bit of advice should NOT be heeded in the Northeast. I haven't seen anyone wear jeans like this in ages.

They're pretty much the norm here. 'Designer' jeans should be worn by girls and girls alone. Any other perversion of the jeans detracts from their ability to serve their rightful purpose.

If you get a hole/tear in your jeans, sew it up. Baggy jeans are going to get in the way when you're working on your ranch or directing a build at the house.

That he does.

"My belt holds my pants up, but the belt loops hold my belt up. I don't really know what's happening down there. Who is the real hero? "
- Mitch Hedberg

You have to second a motion before voting.

Robert's Rules, you know.

Well I second the motion!

Now that there has been a motion and a second, do I hear any discussion?

No discussion? Motion to vote passes. All in favor?

Even I will vote a hearty "aye!" to that! (don't know if girls "count" in this vote tho...)

Maybe they had a military ID or something?

As for the jeans, I have to agree with the ones pictured. I hate when guys wear jeans that are so baggy you can't see if they have a nice butt or not. Designer jeans for guys - OMG, NO.

Me too. Last year, when my oldest was 2 months shy of his 21st birthday, I took him to a very nice steak house, where I ordered a bottle of wine, and asked for two glasses. After they opened the wine, they ID'ed him. I told them that he was my son, and that I wanted to share the wine with him. NO GO!

Thank God they let me recork the wine and take it with me, or I would have been trying to drink it all by myself (of course, I probably would have had to be carried out ;)). It was a very nice bottle, and I damn sure wasn't going to have them pouring it out!!!

Grown men shouldn't wear jeans that are hanging off their butts. This is why jeans are made that don't look designer or baggy but have a loose fit.

The jeans that were pictured scream unstylish cornball to me. From the color to the tapered legs.

This is seems to be where the Southern 'fratty' style diverges. Self-respecting fraternity members should never go out of their way to appear 'stylish'. Unless its a semi-formal or formal event you shouldn't have to go out of your way to look presentable. Some plain khaki pants or shorts and a solid polo or oxford should have you set.

Given, in the spring/summer its fine to wear lighter colors. But you should never prepare for a fraternity/sorority event thinking you're a model. Like Phigam said, every rush you'll see guys trying to get in wearing a tight hollister muscle shirt and dark jeans. They just look like clowns.

Being in a fraternity doesn't equal 'fratty' for everyone. ;)

Beyond that, tI was typing in terms of men wearing them, in general. That could be a regional, cultural, or whatever distinction.

I think there's kind of an white, middle class or above, adult guy uniform in the south, especially if you are outside of big urban and suburban areas. Owning khaki pants, oxford cloth shirts, and a navy blue sport coat will allow you to dress appropriately for 90% of your life.

These are fine with me and aren't exclusive to white, middle class men, of course.

Men who love to golf or work in certain fields have to own khakis and oxford cloth shirts to survive. :)

Oh, absolutely, but I'm not sure it's the social uniform for them like it is for the demographic I described. I'd put the number of days that my dad didn't wear those items at fewer than 10% and he's not a golfer. (Well, for it to literally be true, I suppose I'd have to include polo shirts.) I'm not sure he owns jeans (or has ever owned them for that matter). And it's not that my dad is a khaki wearing freak; it's true for a whole category of southern men.

I agree. I was actually thinking of polo shirt and not oxford shirt. :)

Agreed. Levis 501's (and similar styles) are the only acceptable jeans, but after undergrad, it's time to hang them up unless you're on the farm or something. Other than that, jeans should not be worn by those older than, say, 22. T shirts are the same IMO. They're ok to wear to class while an undergrad, but only to class, and you should still have a collar on your shirt 95% of the time. After college, T shirts are unacceptable (even for running to the store real quick) unless working out.

New rule up, #10. Tell me what y'all think about it.

That statement is ridiculous!

No jeans after 22? right....

After college, t shirts are not acceptable at any time unless working out, even for running to the store? haha.

If that is truly what you believe, you spend way too much time thinking about what you are wearing. Are you that insecure that you think that other people would judge you unacceptable for wearing jeans or a t shirt after college?

How old are you? If you are a college kid, come back to me in 10 years and tell me the honest truth that you have not worn jeans or a t shirt.

Give me a break!!!

If I knew a guy who never ever wore jeans, I'd think he was the biggest geek in the history of the universe. I mean...the founder of our company wears jeans and he's pushing 60 (and he looks great in them).

This post just made me think that sasquatch must dress like Robbie, Chip and Ernie.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! (I miss that show!)

I think it's a very regional thing. Among a certain type of southern guy, who isn't really nerdy despite what you're imagining, what we're saying is completely true.

It's not that they give it a lot of thought; it's just that they buy khakis instead of jeans and pretty much only wear t-shirts as undershirts. And this type of guy tends to be overrepresented in "good" fraternity chapters in the south.
(Hunter/fisherman types probably still buy jeans, but they wouldn't wear them too many places socially in adulthood.)

If you want to be in the chapters that are made up of these kind of guys, it's in your best interest to seem to be one of them.

In a different region, like the Southwest, the same type of guys probably wears jeans a lot; these things are going to vary a lot by climate and common activities.

ETA: I want to add that other chapters on SEC campuses tend to follow suit in their expectations, even if it's primarily made up of guys from the suburbs who grew up wearing cargo shorts and graphic t-shirts in high school. I'm basing this on my dad, my brother and conversations with former students, as well as my experience as an undergraduate, so my indirect observation window is a 50 year span on multiple SEC campuses. Sure, it may not be this way everywhere, but consider that a guy rushing in khakis and a polo is probably okay most places so no harm is done, but a guy rushing in cargo shorts and a T-shirt is probably limiting himself in some regions.

Outdoor activities require T shirts and jeans too.

So you are saying that I should be outside painting my house (or putting up a fence, or working on a car, etc) wearing khakis and a collared shirt?! Oh, how about refinishing my kitchen floor (hardwood under linoleum, vinyl, and carpet)? I couldn't imagine doing work around the house in anything other than t-shirt and jeans. I prefer not to ruin my better clothes if it can be avoided.

No, silly girl, you should be wearing this.

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

I obviously don't know if you're fat or drunk, but statements like this make a prima facie case of stupid.

I heart your posts, MC!! You know I click in every time I see your name on a thread, right? (is that technically cyber-stalking? woops :o:p)

But none of the things you described are social situations, right?

And there's no reason that they couldn't be done in old Khakis as easily as old jeans and a t-shirt.

I think you guys are taking this to absurd deliberately.

I've got to disagree with the sasquatch post about jeans as well. I was taught all growing up how to dress in every situation and to say that you shouldn't wear jeans or a t-shirt past the age of 22 is ridiculous. I own and wear as much Brooks Brothers, Ben Silver, J Press, Polo, Bill's, Barbour, etc. etc. as the next person..........but I still find plenty of occasions to wear jeans too. I wear T-shirts to concerts and to fish in, when I'm not wearing a PFG or other fishing shirt, all the time.

Honestly, I've been to schools and visited fraternities all over the South, many being some of the best on their respective campuses, and seen plenty of guys wearing jeans. I don't think the people that refuse to wear anything but khakis are overrepresented at all. I see the jeans, blazer/sport coat, and button up with loafers look all the time.

Would you wear jeans and a t-shirt to rush though?

I think that's where the advice came up.

And as I said earlier, I suspect there are more adult non-redneck guys in Texas wearing jeans than there are in the Southeast.

I don't think it's unusual for college guys any place to wear jeans in their day to day lives in casual situations, but I don't think they are still doing in very much once they are out of school and in professional jobs in the southeast.

Or she should just have a man do it. ;)

No. You shouldn't wear that to Rush.

........and I understand not wearing jeans because of your professional job.

Really? He's the one who said: "[A]fter undergrad, it's time to hang [jeans] up unless you're on the farm or something. Other than that, jeans should not be worn by those older than, say, 22. T shirts are the same IMO. They're ok to wear to class while an undergrad, but only to class, and you should still have a collar on your shirt 95% of the time. After college, T shirts are unacceptable (even for running to the store real quick) unless working out." (My emphasis.) He didn't limit his advice to social or professional situations, where he would have had a valid point -- he said that if you're over 22 and not working on a farm, you shouldn't be wearing jeans, and that tee shirts are similarly "unacceptable" unless working out. That = stupid in my book. Where I live, we laugh at people who follow rules like that.

Aww. No worries. It's not cyber-stalking -- it's Race preparation. Undertstanding how your race partner thinks and all. ;)

Well, maybe he'll come back and weigh in, but it seems to my that if you're willing to make exceptions for the farm and the gym, you're probably making exceptions for floor stripping and house painting.

I think the store example is kind of extreme myself, but the idea that T-shirts and jeans are kind of for kids doesn't seem that weird, but again it probably depends a lot on where you live and what kind of event you mean.

ETA: when I jumped in, I was really just trying to warn people off of cargo shorts and T-shirts for rush. I wasn't trying to say that nobody in the south wore jeans ever. When I was in school, fraternity guys wore jeans a lot*, but they probably dressed up a little more than that for going out socially, unless it was to see a band.

*but I doubt the same guys I went to school with still wearing them a lot socially now that they are in their 30s. As a type, they've moved on and don't often get that casual, I'd guess.