okay, so I've tried to read as much of this thread as I could, but I didn't quite find what I'm looking for. forgive me if the answer should be obvious, but it's been stated multiple times that dual membership in two NPCs is not allowed, but what about an NPC and a local? I recently transferred schools and there's no chapter of my NPC here. Is there anyway I could join the local sorority? I've been told I could because it's local, but I've also been told that in order to do so I would need to drop my NPC. I am not willing to do that. I just miss greek life.

I *think* you can, but I would double check with AGD. If I remember correctly, in the DePauw DZ mess the girls that were given alumnae status started a local. Now whether or not they gave a damn what DZ thought after that whole debacle, who knows? (Not bashing DZ at all!)

Since you are already in an NPC sorority, this question should first be addressed to appropriate people in your sorority (i.e., IHQ).

I think MysticCat's advice is sound—and logically I would think the final verdict would be dependent on whether or not your current campus has any NPCs and if there are, whether or not the local you are considering is a member of the campus Panhellenic. (Someone let me know if I'm on the wrong track with that logic?)

I got my answer. So for anyone that goes through this in the future, dual membership in an NPC and a local IS allowed.

...in your situation. It seems like an awfully broad generalization to say it's true for all NPCs or all locals.


/lane swerve


I'm glad it seems to be working out for you.

that's true. I should've thought of that before I posted here. I would assume it's true for most, but I'm definitely not an authority on that. I would hope people just don't run into this issue. it's kind of stressful :\

Does anyone know what the policy for someone who was initiated into an NPC GLO, transferred schools a week after initiating and would now like to become a member in an IFC GLO (it's coed) at their new university? The sorority she was initiated into is not present at the new school. Someone had said at one point that she might need to be desistered from the the sorority, but would that necessarily be true if it's NPC and IFC?

You need to ask the IFC GLO.

And there's no such thing as "desistering." One resigns one's membership.

Also you shouldn't be treating what ever the fraternity is as a consolation prize.

I know the original poster left it general, but isn't there only one member of the NIC which has co-ed chapters? (ADPhi)

Looks like that's what this person is a member of:

Alpha Delta Phi Fraternity ("ADPhi") is all-male. Alpha Delta Phi Society, which split from ADPhi over the co-ed issue and which shares traditions with the fraternity, is co-ed. But I don't think the Society is a member of the NIC.

As Vito would tell you, Psi U has co-ed chapters. So does Delta Psi (aka St. Anthony Hall).

ETA: I checked the NIC website, and Alpha Delta Phi Society is not listed as a member. But note what maverickmagali said:

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Originally Posted by maverickmagali (Post 2106300) . . . .but would that necessarily be true if it's NPC and IFC?

NIC and IFC are not the same thing. Fraternities that are not NIC members can and often are IFC members.

We actually had a chapter that for like a year the only member was a woman. We also have a chapter that intentionally always elects a women to serve on the IFC.

I was wondering if anyone can help me. I am part of Delta Chi (social) and Phi Alpha Delta (prelaw professional).

In the past, I rushed for Delta Sigma Pi (business professional), I really liked them but I didn't get a bid. Does anyone know if I can be in all three fraternities if I successfully rush them?

Just fyi, I am a double major with background in both political science and economics.

One of my sisters who I am very close to is considering dropping and pursuing another greek organization later. We are in a npc sorority and the organization she wants to join is a part of NALFO. I know there are rules against joining another npc sorority but is there a rule about joining another sorority in a different council? I want to convince her not to drop and I feel that I would be more successful if I had some facts to back me up.

There may not be a written rule, but she should probably think very carefully before deciding to drop.

That is a HUGE risk to take. It will really be up to the rules, written & unwritten, of the NALFO organization. As often advised here, if she drops, she needs to be prepared for the possibility that she will remain without a sorority for the rest of her collegiate career.

I wonder if it is ours Delta Psi Epsilon Christian Sorority, Inc. (http://www.deltapsiepsilon.com) We have every NPHC sorority represented in our sorority and a couple of NPC ones as well. It is about 1/3 of our membership.

The rules vary by organization, but usually as long as the fraternities are under different umbrellas it is within the regulations to be a member of all three.

I'm a member of Sigma Alpha Iota (music sorority), Phi Sigma Pi (Co-ed Fraternity), and Alpha Gamma Delta (general sorority). So, it has and can be done.

See my siggy! It's very possible!

Membership in multiple Title IX exempt groups...
 

OK, for a Sorority which is a member of the NPC, is Sigma Alpha Iota the only national women-only collegiate Title IX exempt group that their members can belong to simultaneously? I know we've got NPC/SAI dual members here on Greekchat. Theoretically would a NPC/NPHC dual sorority membership be allowed?

Similarly for a Fraternity which is a member of the NIC, is Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia the *only* national men-only collegiate Title IX exempt group that their members can belong to simultaneously? Not sure if we have any NIC/PMA here on Greekchat. Theoretically would a NIC/NPHC dual fraternity membership be allowed? (and I'm excluding those groups that belong to both NIC & NPHC like Alpha Phi Alpha) (so if you have to pick an example: Alpha Tau Omega/Omega Psi Phi).

I know that members of both NPC and NPHC sororities have said in the past that dual memberships are prohibited. Where that might be written down, if it is, I couldn't tell you.

I can't say if we're the only group like you describe, but off the top of my head I can't think of another. That said, even though there is no national prohibition, dual memberships can still be prohibitied on some campuses where a Sinfonia chapter is an IFC member.

And I would note that Omega Psi Phi is the only NPHC fraternity that is not also in the NIC, so I think it's the only org for which your theoretical NIC/NPHC question could apply.

Hmm. So Phi Mu Alpha/NIC dual ability varies by campus, that sort of surprises me; individual Phi Mu Alpha chapter decision, university rules, or something else?

I knew that 3 of the 5 NPHC Fraternities were in, but I thought it was either Phi Beta Sigma or Kappa Alpha Psi, not both. I was wrong.

I don't have first-hand experience with it, so I stand to be corrected. But my understanding is that on many if not all campuses where our chapters are members of IFC, part of joining IFC is an agreement not to allow dual memberships with other IFC chapters -- in other words, to play by the same rules with regard to dual membership that other IFC fraternities play by.

Bear in mind that while many chapters do belong to IFCs, most of our chapters do not. (I don't have hard numbers, but my sense is that the chapters belonging to IFC tend to be on smaller campuses.) The decision to join a campus IFC is made by the chapter in consultation with national staff/officers based on what works best for the chapter.

Not usually. Most NPHC orgs have rules against that.

Iota Phi Theta is the forth NPHC fraternity that is also a member of the NIC. An interesting historical note is that Iota Phi Theta joined the NIC in 1985 - eleven years before they joined the NPHC in 1996.

I've seen Alpha Phi Omega (the co-ed service fraternity)l on a few cases get shoved onto the greek council, but as you said campuses with a small number of social greeks. The "if you pledge, you end up on the council" rule. However I've not seen any Alpha Phi Omega chapter where that has let to limitations on who can join.

I was use of APhiA and IPhiTheta, it was ZPhiB and KAPsi I wasn't sure of...

The difference is that the NIC *had* rules on how a Fraternity would join it... :)

OK. If they do, that answers the question.

Like I said, I don't have first-hand experience with it. It seems, though, like the difference could be that APO is a (co-ed) service fraternity, so requiring it to be part of IFC is really trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. In that case, it would make no sense to anyone to limit dual membership.

Phi Mu Alpha, on the other hand, is a social fraternity, albeit not a general fraternity like most other NIC/IFC fraternities and not a member of the NIC. While I think there are some instances of schools saying "you're a social fraternity, so you need to be in IFC," there are also instances of chapters deciding they want to be in IFC because it is a good fit for them.

And my guess is that there are situations on the IFC where Phi Mu Alpha would be the only dual membership group to the entire rest of the council, but in the cases where Alpha Phi Omega ends up on the council, you've got the Social Fraternities, the Social Sororities, APO, KKY, TBS and probably others...

You have been the only person to answer this question.
The other threads become very intense lol

I have actually known a couple of women to do that.
It is actually allowed (mostly)
Just wait the full calendar year and everything should be fine.

What about people who join two NPHC orgs at different schools? *true story*

*boggles*

For reals?! How did THAT happen? I can't believe no one Googled that girl.

And please note that I have a friend who is a member of an NPC sorority, but whose mother is a member of an NPHC. She said offhandedly to me one day in college, "Well, it's not like they REALLY cross-reference the lists. I'll just join [NPHC] grad chapter after college."

We now are over 15 years out of school, and she's never had the nerve to try, which I think is a wise choice in the age of technology.

Here's a problem we've run into:

A guy was a part of a newly recolonized chapter of XYZ at School A. He was expelled within a semester because he failed to pay the entirety of his dues and was never registered with XYZ headquarters, despite the fact that he went through initiation.

This guy then transfers to School B and attempts to begin the colonization process of ABC.

Both ABC & XYZ are a part of the NIC.

Now, because he was never a registered member of XYZ, is he allowed to be an ABC?

(in case you're just curious what happened to him, he's already been banned from being a member of ABC due to some other issues)

Technically, he's allowed since he is not a technical member of XYZ, but I think he would probably fail to be picked up by any other group under the Douchebag Rule.