wow!

thanks for the post!

Seriously!

I've been saying that very thing since Clinton's tantrums in my home state, but Krauthammer said it much better than I. Thanks for the link.

I agree, honey, that article was fab.

Although I have the feeling that if (God forbid) Hillary got elected, she'd do whatever she wants to do and tell Bill to go polish the silver. This is what she's always wanted and she married him because she felt he could help her get there. But once she's there - he's done.

Elizabeth & Bob Dole, that would be a different story.

Someday, we need to chat a bit about the Doles! Mojitos?

A joke too bad to print?
 

A friend sent me an email about a joke that John McCain made back in 1998 that I had never heard before. Since I always take email forwards with a grain of salt, I decided to do some Googling and discovered it was true. It certainly makes me question his judgement and character, even though the joke was made 10 years ago. I found this Salon article with the joke:

A joke too bad to print?
HOW SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S TASTELESS TWO-LINER ABOUT CHELSEA CLINTON AND JANET RENO WAS CENSORED OUT OF THE NATION'S LEADING NEWSPAPERS.
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

:eek:
Insane. That joke is even worse than Shuster's pimping comment, imo. I have now found a couple of instances where I don't get McCain's humor. Peppy, you bring this article to light, and just last night, McCain was talking to Dana Bash from CNN in a story for the "Situation Room" and called her a jerk (with a smile on his face, of course). But still. It just doesn't seem right.

I think that McCain's comment was worse, actually. Pimping, taken literally, might be a bad thing to imply, but I've generally heard the word "pimping" used in everyday conversation to mean something to the effect of "sending someone out to do work for you." McCain's comment was mean spirited, reminiscent of a 3rd grade bully, and completely insensitive towards the gender expectations that both straight and lesbian women have to deal with on a regular basis.

Also, while Shuster's comment was inappropriate as well, his name's not going to be on the ballot this fall.

ETA: Just realized the link is from a comment made 10 years ago (I know, I should RIF). While I'm still a little put off, lord knows in a span of any given 10 years most of us have said things we wish we hadn't.

Awww.....man...McClain has a long, long history footinmouthitis..so just imagine if elected he will keep his PR people busy.

You know, I agree with you. I reread my post to figure out where your comment was coming from... I said that McCain's comment paled in comparison, when I meant to say that Shuster's comment was pale in comparison to McCain's. I'm gonna fix it pronto.

Really? Care to post some other examples?

McCain is a bitter egomaniac. Then again, I don't vote based on jokes and attitude.

In the "jokes and attitude" vein, here are some HI-larious jokes about Huckabee's scary attitudes... http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...e=man-of-faith

Sig...you really don't need for me to do that...they are out there and it wouldn't take but 10 mins for anyone to pull them up with links and post.


If you are curious, start with China.

Chuck Norris didn't approve of that clip, but he browsed around and found one he did like: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...ckabee-is-real

Watch the whole thing!

LOL, I almost posted that one too but didn't want the one about Huckabee's views too overshadowed by your awesomeness, Chuck.

And man, I knew you were cool, but Chuck, you drove OUT OF YOUR OWN GRAVE???!!?! That's beyond cool.

Some inane McCain-isms...enjoy!!



"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." March 2000

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

On April 1, 2007, McCain and a congressional delegation strolled the streets of Baghdad with a massive armored escort. There were 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters and 2 Apache Gunships accompanying the delegation, with snipers watching over them. After walking through the Shorja market in Baghdad under the tight security, McCain claimed that there “are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today.” In a press conference after his Baghdad tour, McCain told a reporter that his visit to the market today was proof that you could indeed “walk freely” in some areas of Baghdad.

Watch it here: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/



“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17403640/

"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith," the GOP presidential hopeful told the Web site in an interview published Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html



At a Republican fund-raiser, he jokingly asked "Why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly." His answer was that "Janet Reno was the father."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...cain_apologiz/



In response to the question, Mr. McCain said that he was not going to take a position that it was proper “to declare divorces invalid because of someone who feels they weren’t treated fairly in court; we are getting into a tar-baby of enormous proportions and I don’t know how you get out of that.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...r-baby-moment/

holy racial slurs batman

Hey... K Sig asked...

Daemon, this is exactly why I asked - of course I can use the freaking Internet, I just wanted to see what you thought was so ridiculous. Remember - you made the claim, YOU have to back it up. Those are the rules of discussion, dude. Seriously.

Of these:

The Chelsea Clinton joke is marginal - it's out of line, but it's the kind of joke that people make every day without second thought. It is only "bad" because of his stature, which doesn't really excite or interest me.

The two racial incidents are issues - I'm not sure whether "tarbaby" is used in a fashion that would make sense here in other parts of the country, so I can't really speak, but obviously the term "gook" is inappropriate, even considering his imprisonment. He's noted he was speaking only about his captors, and while being a POW must have sucked and I can't really expect him to forget or ignore that, he should probably never use that term in public. However, there was no outcry by Asian-American groups about his campaign, so I'm not sure where to go from here. These two are the actual issues - not a Janet Reno joke, of which similar jokes were made every night on national television.

However, the rest? Seriously? You're reaching badly - stick to the racial slurs, and not "walking through the streets of Baghdad." What do you expect the guy to say?

This is off the whole "McCain is a racist ignoramus" theme going on...

I remember 5-6 years ago thinking about gender and politics and thinking that the first serious female political candidate would be hammered by innuendos that she wasn't tough enough to be commander-in-chief or lacked the kind of real experience that a President needs, since for so long those were the perceived weaknesses of most women in power.

I find this highly amusing with Clinton's recent attacks on Obama. Instead of what I assumed (that gender stereotypes would come to a full head with the first female presidential candidate), it is the female candidate accusing the other that he lacks the capacity to be tough as a commander in chief and lacks experience. I'm left wondering if this is really because Clinton has such a tough image that the normal gender stereotypes don't work on her, or is it racism trumping sexism?

Eh... just a random thought.

And don't forget his homage to Bush and the Beach Boys... he did this at a town hall in my very own hometown:

"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!" He caught a little flak for that one. IMHO, I really don't think you need to be joking about bombing anyone when you are running for office and will be the commander in chief. We've already seen what a cavalier attitude toward war can accomplish. :rolleyes: I would think someone with his history would know that.

While I'd never use tar baby for fear of being misunderstood, I don't think it really has an racial connotation is the sense he used it.

It's a situation that you get further into as you take efforts to get out, right, both in Br'er Rabbit and in the sense McCain meant it.

So let's take that one off the table, I think.

Dude...if I walked thru the most dangerous streets in the world with 100 soldiers, snipers, gunships and Jack Bauer, I guess those streets WOULD be safe!

It's not reaching...it ridiculous...let me drop him off in West Baltimore by himself, he would shyt himself before he said he was safe....

Wow. Snopes is pretty fast on this crap.

actually now it makes sense...I tried to open the source link a while ago and kept getting a 'denied access' screen.....

^^^Ok, then can you go back and delete those posts? It doesn't seem appropriate to keep false and crazy-ass-ridiculous stuff like that out there...

I didn't know what seemed odder - the Klan endorsing Obama for president or the fact that they vote Democratic :p

done....

I think this is very disputable. While I might agree that the War in Iraq has not been run overly well, or even poorly at times, I don't think the decision to go to and continually wage the war was "cavalier." Disagreement about our handling of the situation is perfectly fine, but a cavalier attitude about putting people in harms way is arguably treason.

Bush at War by Bob Woodward gives the best account I've seen regarding the decision to go to war, and while it certainly isn't overly flattering to the Bush administration, it doesn't portray Bush as cavalier. Quite the opposite, actually.

Ok, I'll give you the fact that "cavalier" in terms of talking about Bush might not have been the most correctly descriptive word I could use, but it definitely describes McCain's song, and that is the point of the thread, after all... the 2008 presidential field at a glance, and Bush won't be on the ballot. I'm through being concerned about Bush (unless he does something really stupid in the next 11 months). I don't want a president in my future to be joking about the possibility of more attacks. Those decisions affect my family personally, and I don't find the proposition funny at all.

That is understandable. I'm not really outraged by his song, though I do think it was pretty absurd (as in lame). However, when you get down to it, I believe McCain understands the costs of war better than most, and though I don't really like him, I do trust him in that regard.

You know, when push comes to shove I agree with McCain fans on this point. I'm still a little confused though why he wants to stay in Iraq. I kind of hope he is just saying that because he doesn't want to appear like he is undermining Bush.

Where I stray away from McCain the most is on other issues. Other than his undeniably impressive background and resume and his committment to campaign finance reform (its too bad he hasn't continued to fight this, though), I don't think he would be a good leader for other reasons. I doubt he would lead our country out of what seems like an inevitable recession and I doubt he sees the status quo of economic disparity and widening wealth gap a problem that needs fixing.

Haha, yeah I agree with him on (probably) what you don't, and dislike things like McCain Feingold

superdelegate vote
 

For anyone concerned with how the final convention vote may come down on the Democratic side with the superdelegates possibly holding the decision in their hands, there is a petition from MoveOn that you can sign that says you want the superdelegates to vote the way the majority of the other elected delegates have gone. I'm not sure how much effect this will really have (and it seems like public pressure is already mounting so that it might go down that way anyway), but if you like petitions, you can find it here: http://pol.moveon.org/superdelegates/?r_by=12133-4252593-UqjSAe&rc=comment_forward

This seems pretty meaningless - and, even more insidiously, this seems like tacit support for Obama on the part of MoveOn.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I happen to think MoveOn is one of the most worthless PACs in the history of dickfaces influencing government, but still - this is a really, REALLY transparent effort. Kind of puke-inducing, to be honest.

^^^That's why I said "for anyone concerned" -- yes, I concur it's mainly Obama supporters that are concerned because Hillary still has more superdelegates pledged to her -- if you're not one of those concerned, feel free to ignore. I myself am still not 100% decided, so I'm not trying to tacitly or outright push either candidate, I just wanted to alert those who are sensitive to the issue that this "push" is going on out there.

Certainly didn't mean to make you lose your lunch, there, KSig. Apologies.

Yep.

Well, they DID endorse him a couple of weeks ago...

Without the USA Support, basicaly the Country will not only fall apart, the main enemy will take over.

There is enough of these fanatics who want to kill You/American people.

They are a relegious fanatical group on may sides and fight each other. Do you not understand that?

They preach The Koran and do other things. Oh, like kill people!

Okay, lets take the/our Troops out and see what happens.

911, and the bombings of the Trade Center, or the Barraks in Lebenon, or highjacking our airliners?

So, now, what is wrong with that picture?:o

Who owns the gas station you trade at? Who owns the motel you stay in?:rolleyes: