http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...s/14438495.htm

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"A new controversy." I’m sorry but your sarcasm is throwing me off. This is someone's life that is messed up because of this one incident. One of the males involved has committed a crime against a man in DC because he thought the man was gay so he “allegedly” assaulted him. If that does not sound like a Hitler or “white power” move I don't know what is. That could easily be justified in court as an act upon a person based on discrimination tying it to the rape case, which it seems, was racially motivated and dismiss because of class issues, i.e. The thought that oh she’s just some stripper, this woman is afraid to even stay in her home because of death threats to her and her children. I am sorry but that just got close to my skin when you said the news is getting boring like these people’s lives is a form of entertainment for you. I will just chock that comment up to being a joke. That is how you meant it right?

Oh my gosh. :(

Right, I know. That is why 75 out of 80 rape cases have no DNA evidence, they rape the victims with objects. I can't imagine having to defend myself from that. I hope that she does not drop the case. God give her strength.

Oh man:(

it took police nearly three days to search the house
 

People on and off campus were outraged that it took police nearly three days to search the house. They were even more incensed that it took two weeks for the university to make the decision to suspend the team's season.


This is just crazy.

I guess I don't understand. If it was a broomstick, then why do a DNA test and why not look for the broom? Either the police are just beyond incompetent and not doing this girl justice or it's lie after lie.

-Rudey

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Yes, it wasn't something to be taken seriously as you guessed.

I don't think assaulting a gay man is asking to a "White power" move but that's because being gay is not a race. If reputations and past history are going to be used for the defendant than what could be said of the woman being a stripper and her sexual history? I mean a Catholic priest who does so much good and is close to the lord is in the news for molesting kids - his reputation didn't tie in that case.

And while most of these events are sad and tragic, I think we follow them as a form of entertainment. I don't know what else to call it but that's just semantics. That's why the media will talk about something more in the news over other stories. It sells right?

But I'm wondering one thing though. Let's say that they prove that these kids didn't rape her. What then? Who will pay for the damage done to them?

-Rudey

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You are right I agree, and maybe that is a better way to look at this sometimes but it just upsets me because that is what is done by white supremacy groups-bash gays, blacks, Jewish people, and anyone else that is different from the "pure white world." It's all just sad but more and more things are coming out leaning toward the theory of something did happen and that is not just a fabricated story. I apologize if I seemed too abrasive. Thanks for having my back in the moderator forum.

I guess lightning in fact DOES strike twice in the same place
 

VERY interesting twist in the Duke rape case. Check it out:

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The woman who says she was raped by three members of Duke's lacrosse team also told police 10 years ago she was raped by three men, filing a 1996 complaint claiming she had been assaulted three years earlier when she was 14.

Authorities in nearby Granville County said Thursday that none of the men named in the decade-old report were ever charged with sexual assault there, but they didn't have details why.

A phone number for the accuser has been disconnected and her family declined to comment to The Associated Press. But relatives told Essence magazine in an online story this week that the woman declined to pursue the case out of fear for her safety.

The existence of the report surprised defense attorneys, one of whom has sought information about the accuser's past for use in attacking her credibility.

"That's the very first I've heard of that," said Bill Cotter, the attorney for indicted lacrosse player Collin Finnerty, who along with fellow Duke sophomore Reade Seligmann is charged with first-degree rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. He declined additional comment.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the uncharged players on the team, said he wants to know if prosecutors in the current case knew about the earlier allegation, or if the accuser told them about it.

He added that he found it notable that authorities apparently declined to prosecute the earlier case.

"These are serious allegations, particularly for a person that age. In my mind, it would raise real issues about her credibility," he said.

Attorneys for Seligmann asked the court this week to order the state to turn over the accuser's medical, legal and education records, and hold a pretrial hearing to "determine if the complaining witness is even credible enough to provide reliable testimony."

The accuser, a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University in Durham, told police she was hired to perform as a stripper at a March 13 party, where she was raped by three men.

According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993, when she was 14. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham.

The report lists the names of the three men, but no other details. Creedmoor police Chief Ted Pollard said Thursday he had no recollection of the report, and his staff has been unable to find any additional information about it.

Durham police Officer Brian Bishop, who interviewed the accuser in 1996 while working on the Creedmoor force, said Thursday he had a vague recollection of the report but couldn't remember any details.

When asked about the accuser's previous report of rape, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment.

Before Seligmann and Finnerty were indicted, attorneys for the players pointed to the accuser's criminal history when answering questions about their clients' legal troubles. The woman pleaded guilty to several misdemeanors in 2002.

Curious development: Accuser in Duke case also filed rape complaint in '96

Re: I guess lightning in fact DOES strike twice in the same place
 

Yeah? Your point?!

One could even argue that BECAUSE she was sexually assaulted when she was a child that she became promiscuous (sp?) and went into stripping to support herself going through school. In fact, many rape victims are assaulted multiple times probably because of low self esteem where people feel that they can be taken advantage of.

I know that there are folks on here who have dealt with this type of issue on a professional basis who can speak on this more eloquently than I can so I will defer.

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That's besides the point.

The point is, was this the case in this matter or was it a matter of crying wolf "because it worked once before"?

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Rainman, Rainman, Rainman

Are you serious?http://forum.cricketweb.net/images/s...ted/tomato.gif

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Geez, Rainman :confused: :(

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It didn't 'work' once before. She accused someone of an alleged rape but did not pursue the case; no one was charged or convicted.

Reading is fundamental!!!

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If the police believed her story and took down a report, then in essence it did work.

Again, this begs the question: Is this victim for real this time around, or is she just being an attention whore smiting people at random?

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You are hopeless. I give up.

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Thank you.

*sighs*

Finally......

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RM,

I would really like you to give me the names and addressed of the people/women who have influenced you to think the way you do. I would like to 'smite' them. You are cool with me. But your natural suspicousness of women makes me sad. I know that there are truly evil people who lie and hurt others for their own personal gain. But for the sake of that one person who isnt lying, it is well worth it to withhold judgement, IMHO.

Teena, that was on point
 

Teena, that point touched my heart. No really, it did.

It touched my heart to the point that I am contemplating leaving the online sources that influenced my thinking in the first place. While it did enlighten me in some respects, it also made me a little jaded, which IMHO isn't good.

[hijack]ETA: Here is the catalyst that started it all:

No Marriage.com [/hijack]

Anyhow, you gave me something to reflect on as I go to bed tonight.

I'll talk to you later.

RM

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Reading is fundamental!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes it is. I am glad you brought that up. :) It's funny how folks can past judgement on someone based on their history alone. God has a way of bringing clarity to the blind, in due time.

Hold it right there!
 

Let's get one thing straight right here and now:

No one here (AFAIK) is passing judgment on anybody. Just because someone raises a possibility that the case isn't as cut-and-dried as it appears doesn't mean that they are passing judgment.

As a former auditor, my job required me to exhibit an attitude of professional skeptism, meaning that while I didn't assume that the client was inherently lying about their financial statement assertions, I also didn't assume that their assertions were as good as gold either.

All I have been doing throughout all this was asking questions and raising a possibility that there might be more to this story than what is being presented to us by the media. That has been agreed upon by more than a few participants' posts here. Just because I take the plunge and say that it's possible (not probable, mind you, but possible) that this victim might not be fully telling the truth, you say that I'm passing judgment? C'mon now, do better.

Skepticism is not the same as passing judgment.

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Again, this begs the question: Is this victim for real this time around, or is she just being an attention whore smiting people at random? [/B][/QUOTE]

Attention Whore sounds like judgment and not sarcasm Rain Man. Maybe I am reading things wrong. :rolleyes:

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I prefaced that with: "Is this victim for real this time around, or...", thereby raising the possibility that she could very well be telling the truth as well as the possibility that she could very well indeed be an attention whore.

Again, the key is possibility, not probability that either factor is a valid one.

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Again sounds like judgment. That's my opinion and we are all entitled to one.

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Just remember that the next time an honest man tries to sell you something and you are a little skeptical because it is possible that it could be a scam, you are by your own definition passing judgment on that honest salesman actually being a scam artist/con man.

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I will keep that in mind, won't call him a whore though. And to clear things up, it’s ok to be skeptical but when you place a term on that skepticism, like whore, its judgment. ;)

Committee Finds Administration's Response to Be "Much Too Slow"
 

More on Duke Response

The response was too slow. See the above article.

Duke Response Based on Police Comments
 

See more information. Duke response was based on police speculation. updates

DNA Evidence Found in Duke LAX Case
 

DNA Evidence Found in Duke LAX Case


(05/11/06 - DURHAM) - Prosecutors believe they have DNA evidence to tie a third Duke lacrosse player to the alleged attack of a 27-year-old exotic dancer, sources close to the investigation tell ABC News.

Sources say the third player is the same person who was identified with "90 percent" certainty by the alleged victim in a photo lineup. That lineup was conducted by police weeks after the March 13 off-campus lacrosse team party where the alleged incident took place.

After a first set of DNA tests failed to link two lacrosse players to the alleged crime, it was widely considered that DNA evidence would not be part of the case. New results from this second round of testing will help the prosecution's case, sources close to the investigation say.

New DNA Tests 'Helpful' to Prosecution
The potential evidence a DNA sample found under a fake fingernail worn by the alleged victim and linked to the lacrosse player was recovered from the off-campus home where the alleged attack took place. The fingernail was found in a garbage can in the house, sources close to the investigation told ABC News.

Until the full results are released, it is not yet clear how useful the new tests will be to the prosecution. That complete report is expected to be returned on Monday the same day a grand jury is expected to meet and could indict the player whose DNA was allegedly found.



Read more here

Hhhhhmmm. I wonder where other DNA may be hiding?

My thoughts exactly they should have done those tests somewhere else.

I am not going to comment on this.....YET!
 

But check out this major twist in developments:

Link: Duke Lacrosse DNA: Mystery Man Revealed

Accuser's Boyfriend is 'Single Source' of DNA on Vaginal Swab
By CHRIS CUOMO, GERRY WAGSCHAL, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and LARA SETRAKIAN

May 13, 2006 — - The second round of DNA test results in the Duke University rape investigation show "no conclusive match'' to any lacrosse players, defense attorneys said, but a vaginal swab of the alleged rape victim produced DNA from a "single male source'' -- a man not on the lacrosse team who did not attend a March 13 party that was the site of the alleged rape.

Defense attorney Joe Cheshire declined to identify the mystery man or his connection to the alleged victim, but ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned that the unnamed source of the DNA is the alleged victim's "boyfriend," according to her mother.

ABC News is withholding the name of the man because he is apparently not a target of the investigation. Records indicate that Durham, N.C., police gave the "boyfriend'' a cheek swab to collect DNA on May 3, ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned exclusively.

It is unclear if or how the first DNA tests missed what appears to be the only foreign genetic material found on the alleged victim's body, defense attorneys said. Two Duke lacrosse players were indicted more than two weeks before the cheek swab was taken from the "boyfriend."

It is also unclear whether the alleged victim had sex with the "boyfriend" the night she claims to have been raped by three Duke lacrosse players. DNA experts tell ABC News that genetic traces of semen can remain in the body up to six days after intercouse.

Defense attorneys declined to release the actual report, saying that it contained the name of the "single male source.''

Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong did not return a call to his home Friday night requesting his reaction to the defense attorneys' press conference. Nifong has said recently that he would be undeterred by a lack of conclusive DNA evidence.

Experts say that the absence of conclusive DNA evidence would not necessarily be a fatal blow to the prosecution's case. They cite a figure stating that 75 percent to 80 percent of rape prosecutions do not involve forensic evidence such as DNA.

"The truth is if you speak to crime lab directors, they will tell you that in only a relatively small number of cases is there any DNA evidence," said Peter Neufeld, co-founder and co-director of the Innocence Project, which uses DNA to free people wrongly imprisoned. "In rape cases, there is an expectation of DNA. But like many expectations, often it is misplaced."

According to defense attorneys, neither Colin Finnerty nor Reade Seligmann, the two men charged, appear anywhere in the latest report. The two were charged with rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. None of either men's DNA has turned up in any test results, defense attorneys said.

Chesire conceded Friday that the results show that genetic material from beneath a plastic fingernail recovered from a garbage can at the scene of the alleged crime has "some characteristics'' of "one or two'' players' DNA, but that none of the tests show any conclusive matches. He acknowledged that the report names a third player, but declined to identify that player.

On Thursday, ABC News reported that prosecutors believe they have DNA evidence that could link a third player to the alleged attack.

Sources close to the investigation did not claim the material under the plastic fingernail was a conclusive match -- only that it would be "helpful'' to the prosecution. The player whose genetic material was found under the fake fingernail is the same player who was identified in a photo lineup by the alleged victim with "90 percent" certainty, sources said.

Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third player in the alleged rape. Defense attorneys say they are bracing for another indictment -- which could come as early as Monday.

"Monday, the grand jury is going to … consider indicting yet another of these young men,'' Chesire said. "And the travesty of justice, and the ripping apart of a community, and the intentional fractionalization of races will continue."

The fake fingernail was found inside a garbage can in the bathroom of the off campus home where the party was thrown. The garbage can also contained tissues, Q-Tips, and other materials, defense lawyers said. They said that players removed the plastic nail from the garbage and gave it to police.

"Is that consistent with someone that knowledgeably and knowingly committed a rape?" Cheshire said. "That they would leave fingernails that were ripped off a person in a violent struggle in their trash can after they're told there's an investigation and that police were going to come to their house -- and when the police do, they give them the fingernails?"

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain Man
[B]But check out this major twist in developments:


All interesting can't wait to see how all this plays out, there are so many gray areas and too much here say in the news. I want to know the facts and the story about what happend. What would be her motive for setting these men up if she is not telling the truth and if so why the death threats to drop the case?


Too much unknown:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Today on "As The Plot Thickens".....
 

....the hits just keep on coming:

(DURHAM) -- There are new attacks against the credibility of the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape investigation.

The Durham Herald-Sun reports sources close to the defense say evidence collected so far points to problems with her story.

The newspaper reports three defense sources say a forensic examination found no tearing, bleeding or other injuries associated with a sexual assault. The sources also said the accuser told police she had sex with three men around the time of the alleged rape. The men are identified as her boyfriend and two drivers for the escort service for which she worked.

District Attorney Mike Nifong neither confirmed nor denied the remarks.

Link to article

And another one....

Julie Farby - All Headline News Staff Writer

Durham, NC (AHN)—Sources close to the defense team representing the players say the woman who has accused three members of the Duke University lacrosse team of raping her at an off-campus party told investigators several different stories about the night of the alleged incident.

According to the Fox News report, the sources say the differing accounts are included in the 1,300 pages of evidence delivered to defense lawyers last week by Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong.

Meanwhile, according to a defense filing, medical records of the 27-year-old accuser suggest she might not have been tested for drugs or alcohol. However, defense lawyers for suspect Reade Seligmann say they were not given any toxicology reports by Nifong.

Nifong told a local Durham radio station that he turned over all the evidence he has and that he will hand over any new information to the defense when he gets it.

Along with Seligmann, of Essex Falls, N.J., sophomore Collin Finnerty of Garden City, N.Y., and senior David Evans of Bethesda, Md., are among the three Duke lacrosse players who have been indicted in connection with the case. All players are proclaiming their innocence.


Link to article

Hhmmm, thats funny if the accuser wasn't tested for drugs or alcohol, esp since one of the first cops on the scene indicated that she was 'drunk'.

Also, in one of these articles, it says that there was no evidence of rape (ie tearing, etc.) yet the ER who exmined the victim the next day clearly indicated that there were signs consistent with rape which is one of the crucial points used to get the indictments.

Lastly, if she did have sex with three other men, where is the evidence?

Absolutely crazy!

I agree. Too many conspiracy theories. Just can't wait to see how this all pans out.

Long Island
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/lo...tory?track=rss
Parties in Duke scandal talk on '60 Minutes'
The lacrosse players say they are innocent and the second dancer also denies that rape occurred
BY REID J. EPSTEIN
Newsday Staff Writer

October 16, 2006


After the performance ended, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann never saw the exotic dancer who would claim they and another Duke University lacrosse player raped her at an off-campus house, the two men said in an interview aired last night on "60 Minutes."

The CBS interviews marked the first public comment on the case from Finnerty, Seligmann and David Evans, who hosted the party.

The three are accused of holding the dancer against her will in a bathroom of the house and raping her in March. A grand jury indicted all three on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense; defense attorneys have proclaimed their innocence.

Finnerty, 20, of Garden City, said he left the party after the two women stopped dancing.

"I left soon after I saw them do their act in the room with everybody else," he said. "I saw them leave the room. I never saw them again in my life."

Also, the second dancer at the party, Kim Roberts, appeared to change her story in the CBS News interview.

After saying in previous interviews that the rape allegations were "a crock," then saying the lacrosse players were "guilty," she now says the other woman gave no indication she was assaulted the night of the party -- and actually suggested they go back to make more money.

Roberts said the two women stopped performing after only a few minutes -- they had been paid $800 for two hours' work -- because one of the men threatened her with a broomstick.

Roberts said she and the other woman then hid in a bathroom while the men in the crowd banged on the door.

"It wasn't, you know, cajoling or it wasn't sweet," she said. "It was they were coaxing us but in their own boyish, rude way."

At that point, Roberts said, she walked out of the house to her car, leaving the other woman alone for five to 10 minutes. When the other woman joined her in the car, Roberts said, she did not indicate that she had been assaulted. She even suggested the two women go back inside to make more money.

Finnerty, a sophomore who because of the charges against him is suspended from Duke, said he doesn't know how or why he and two teammates wound up charged with a rape they say they didn't commit. He said the charges against him will define him for the rest of his life.

"I never expected anyone to get indicted, let alone myself," he said. "It's unbelievable. Don't know how, why, that happened. But try to figure that out; I really have no idea how, how that happened."

Seligmann, 20, from Essex Fells, N.J., said he left the party when the dancers finished because he wasn't having a good time.

"I didn't like the tone of the party, and I just, it made me uncomfortable," he said on the program. "It's as simple as that. I thought it was a boring party and I didn't like the tone."

Evans, 23, the team captain from Bethesda, Md., who hosted the party, said he regrets the decision to combine alcohol, strippers and his lacrosse teammates.

"I was naive, I was young, I was sheltered," he said. "And I made a terrible judgment. In five months, I've learned more than I did in 22 years about life."

Its time for the DA to show his hand or let this all go. This is getting ridiculous.