i couldnt watch the texas-oklahoma state game after the first quarter. it was too much.

Yep.. that Callahan is a hell of a class act.

USC #1 in the BCS again.

Amy, just wanted to let you know that my roomate (from a USC family) was watching the game, went to use the bathroom after SC scored a touchdown, and when he came back, they were kicking off after scoring a TD again...so like.....two TDs in a matter of a minute......coupled with Lyndell White giving the ball to coach Snoop, he definitely enjoyed their ass whooping of Wazou.

Their run D is still a little sketch.....I only say that just because Pete Carroll SHOULD know what to do when Maurice Drew and UCLA come around.

Go COCKS! I missed the game b/c I don't have cable, but saw the score the next game and was mad I missed it!

I agree, our D is still a bit off. But getting better every week, so hopefully we will be ready for Maurice Drew and UCLA.

I was so scared to watch the game. The last time I saw them play Tenn on TV, Tenn caught up and won the game. My friend called me and said "Carolina's winning". I didn't turn to the game until right after it was over.

I didn't know until today that Arkansas has a loosing record. I hope we can pull this off so if we loose to Florida or Clemson, it wouldn't be such a big deal and we will still get into a bowl game (unless we fight Clemson again:rolleyes: ).

Hi Connie

SEC goes from All-Mighty to Overrated

By Terence Moore | Tuesday, November 1, 2005, 06:33 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Terence Moore


Sorry to burst those bubbles the size of Steve Spurrier’s ego, but when it comes to The All-Mighty SEC in college football, there is the myth, and then there is the reality. Here’s the myth: That there still is such a thing as The All-Mighty SEC in college football. As for the reality, this is the most overrated and overhyped conference, division or league in sports.

You do have the All-Mighty ACC in college football right now. Courtesy of solid teams from Virginia Tech, Miami, Florida State and Boston College at the top and the competitive likes of Georgia Tech, Clemson, Maryland and Virginia in the middle, the ACC is what the SEC used to be, and that is a conference whose strengths aren’t exaggerated.

“Well, you know what? I think what you’re saying is obvious,” said Bill Curry, an expert on this subject. Not only is he an ESPN analyst for the sport, but he was a head coach in the ACC (Georgia Tech) and in the SEC (Kentucky and Alabama). “The SEC is going to win a bunch, but it’s not going to dominate Michigan and Texas and Notre Dame, not like it used to. It’s a conference [the SEC] that has lost its luster, and I don’t see how anybody could even begin to argue that point.”

I mean, Tennessee? Long before the Volunteers exposed themselves as frauds earlier this season, it was clear that they hadn’t a quarterback. Nobody ever will confuse Erik Ainge or Rick Clausen with anybody good. Still, courtesy of the myth, the Volunteers were ranked No. 3 by preseason polls. Now they aren’t even the best team around the Smokies. In case you haven’t noticed, historically putrid Vanderbilt has more victories (four to three) than the Volunteers. Plus, Tennessee is a Saturday trip to Notre Dame away from sliding two games below .500.

Elsewhere, after all of that whining around the SEC over the prospects of having another Auburn this season (an undefeated team without a shot at a national championship), consider two things: First, Georgia showed that it is D.J. Shockley and a bunch of talented but complementary players. Without the injured Shockley, the Bulldogs collapsed against an inferior Florida team with significant flaws, especially on offense. Second, Alabama hasn’t lost, but Alabama joins Florida and Tennessee among the many SEC teams that can’t score. Alabama averages fewer points per game than such powers as Navy, Tulsa and Louisiana Tech.

Speaking of powers that aren’t, you have South Carolina. Even so, the Gamecocks just won at Tennessee for the first time ever. The great Spurrier aside, they shouldn’t win at Tennessee. (And how good is LSU, since the Tigers choked in Death Valley to a Tennessee bunch that choked to South Carolina?) South Carolina is among the slew of athletically challenged SEC teams in most seasons.

Which brings me to more of the myth: That the reason why the traditional SEC powers have so many patsies on their schedule (LSU played North Texas last week and has Appalachian State this week for homecoming) is because the conference schedule is so brutal. There are 12 SEC teams, and the only thing brutal about half of them (South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Kentucky and Vanderbilt) is the way that they’ve played in recent years.

So when did The All-Mighty SEC in college football vanish?

“I think it began to happen when all of that cheating became public, and after it was proven and was documented and people started to go on probation and losing scholarships,” Curry said. “Not only did that hurt the teams that were doing the cheating and got put on probation, but it hurt everybody. At that point, a lot of good football players were lost by the SEC to other conferences. That’s because parents started to say, ‘Well, gee, I don’t want you to go somewhere that has that kind of a reputation.’ “

Earlier this decade, Curry predicted such an exodus from the conference during an SEC media day. Former commissioner Roy Kramer was so furious that he demanded that Curry justify his remarks to Kramer’s security chief. “I told [Kramer] that I’d be glad to, so I started documenting things right and left, and the guy never called me back again,” Curry said.

Guess the guy knew Curry would become omniscient.

God I hope South Carolina fights Clemson again. What would this be, the 3rd straight year? I enjoy watching that game every year man.

Best brawls ever!

aside from the Notre Dame/ USC brawls back in the later 80's early 90s

I didn't get to see the Wazzou game. But SC's run defense isn't as bad as their secondary. But man...this team has had waaay too many injuries this year. It's hard throwin in scout players like the Ting twins or converting wide recievers to DB over and over again.

It's about time Drew Olsen got some heisman praise. I really hope the two Drews go to New York this year.

USC/UCLA will be a shootout and will be FUN to watch.

Our D looked good against Wazzu, Best showing of the year.

Oh man greeklawgirl and I are SMASHED. She is crashed out on my couch and my room is spinning right now. lol

I don't think that's going to happen. A lot of those players who were involved are no longer with the team for various reasons (stealing stuff from the Roundhouse, stealing stuff from East Quad, caught with drugs, etc.). Spurrier's been cleaning house so if they want to be a part of the team, they better not try it.

Besides, the best fights during Carolina/Clemson are not on the field...they are in the stands!;) :p

Indiana's football coach has "retired" with a losing record.

In the past 40 years, at least 10, maybe 15, have tried unsuccessfully.

Maybe be should just admit that we're a basketball and soccer school

Spare me.

ROOOLLL TIDE

I am ready for an NCAA play off. Why do they VOTE anyway. What is the point of winning a ton of games if you can't play games that "count?" Why doesn't NCAA football Division 1 have playoffs? I mean every other system in almost every other sport in every other Division has playoffs. I just don't get it.

Can anyone give me one GOOD reason for not having playoffs in NCAA Division 1 football?

We lost to Toledo tonight on ESPN2, but there were some great shots of our campus at night.

Well, gotta be happy about something, right?

Spare you?

Alright I will.

Anyways. Everyone wants a playoff silly. But the reason why there is no playoffs is greed from the schools. More money from bowl games. Oh, and because schools like Alabama keeps paying their players. har har har.

Hey seriously though. Connie the SEC is tough. There are alot of SEC fans that think that USC won't make it past 2 games if they were in the SEC. What do you think?

I think USC deserves to be #1 until they loose, unless they play cupcake teams or something on their next schedule. (I did think they were gonna loose by now, though, having lost their offense coordinator - shows you what I know right?)

I think any NCAA dev 1 A team could beat any NCAA dev 1 A team on any given day. (I learned that being an ALABAMA fan)

I think it is rediculous when people say to the SEC fans that all conferences knock eachother down the rankings within the conference, because the SEC usually has more top 20 teams then all of the other conferences. (did that make sense? any way you know what I mean)

I think USC would have to change their practice drastically to play 2 or 3 SEC teams and win all three. And I don't mean Mississippi State or Vanderbilt - I mean LSU - Auburn - Tenn or whatever. (even when "the SEC is down")

Going back to playoffs . . . rumor had it that there was actually some discussion of a playoff in a few years - incorporating the bowl games into a playoff situation. Anyone else hear that? Or do I need to read back and maybe I read it here on this thread.

If you could organize a playoff system for Div 1 football how would you do it?

Me, I would do the # 1s in the conferences and break it down from there. And, if you arent in a conference then boo hoo for you - yea this means you, independent teams.

OK well Alabama is about to Kick off agains Miss St.

ROLL tide.

Oh yea and don't get me started on paying players. Like Bear Bryant once said - Throw what you got on the table guys you only get what you pay for.



















/\ Just kidding he didnt say that (that I know of) I just don't mind a great college football player, living at least as well as the other students, that are sitting in the seats watching the game.

Nebraskans for the Lynching of Callahan.

i heard way back that the reason why they dont do playoffs is because they didnt want the teams to play 15+ games. just imagine how big the brackets will be. who knows........

Division 1 AA has playoffs - Division 1 AAA has playoffs - Division 2 has playoffs


NCAA basketball has playoffs
NCAA baseball has playoffs
NCAA (insert sport here) has playoffs EXCEPT Divison 1 A

EXPLAIN THAT TOO ME. Don't say money - there is money in playoffs - don't say that the players cant do it cause of what i put above - WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYY?

It annoys me when people bring up USC's strength of schedule.

All our non conference games are scheduled against Div 1 teams-- unlike other conferences who proclaim to be harder than ours but who regularly schedule 1AA teams for their non conference games.

Kudos to Arkansas for agreeing to start our home and home at USC and to UT and OSU for their non conference game this year. THIS is what makes College Football exciting and separates the best from the rest...

Not teams who play Lousiana Monroe and Louisiana Lafayette.

/rant

and thank you ConnieBama for the "USC deserves to be #1 until they lose." That is true. 'Course, I am biased. ;)

Connie. I did not ask whether or not you thought USC was the best team or not. Ofcourse they are the best team. They've been the best team for 3 years. Even when LSU won the BCS, USC was still the #1 team. Remember how USC finished #1 in the coaches poll but coaches were obligated to vote for LSU? People even argue that by the end of the 2002 season USC was the best team. Anyways. My question was do you think USC would finish with 2 or more losses like many SEC fans believe they would.

Here is another article for you.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9913303/

"USC's a dynasty — get over it.

Deep South fans ridiculous to think their teams could challenge Trojans.

John Wooden is commonly referred to as the "Wizard of Westwood," so USC coach Pete Carroll should now be called the "Wizard of Watts."

Most fans that call my radio show from the Deep South have no respect for the Pac-10 Conference and believe Southern California would lose several games if they played in the SEC.

Let me remind every fan that doesn't stay up past 10 p.m. on the East coast that if USC had a chance to play Florida this season they would win by 40 points. If they had to go to Alabama and play the Crimson Tide, they would be up by 30 at the half. Imagine the beating that Tennessee would take if the Trojans hosted the Volunteers at the Coliseum.

You get my point. We are witnessing a college dynasty and should applaud Carroll and his staff for looking more like an NFL team than a squad that practices on campus. Reggie Bush is the best college running back since Marshall Faulk, and LenDale White looks like he can run with as much power as Jerome Bettis did at Notre Dame."


ANYWAYS.

These are some teams that USC has scheduled since 2000- Notre Dame (everywhere), Colorado, Auburn, Arkansas, Penn State, Purdue, Virginia Tech, Kansas St, BYU, Hawaii.

Keep in mind that most of those were away games. So no, USC does not schedule cupcakes nor will they ever. Their programs as with the majority of the Pac 10 has cajones. Hawaii is not a cupcake either. Just ask your team what happened to them in 2003.

While USC shedules quality opponents teams from the SEC are scheduling - North Texas, Appalachian State, La Monroe, Troy St, Florida Atlantic (you'd think they were in the SEC the way they get whored around), UTAH St, MIddle Tennesee State.

Oh, all at home mind you. Impressive. very impressive.


Let me ask you this. Do you know what these numbers are? 117-34.

That is USC's score vs the SEC the past 3 games. One game was actually a good one. 24-17. Another was 23-0. And the last one was 70-17. Judging by that, I don't think USC needs to change the way it practices against the SEC.

Btw. Alabama beat Arkansas this year 24-13. That is really impressive.

USC scored 28 points in 32 seconds vs the same exact team.

It sucks that there isnt a playoff. Ofcourse it does. Everyone wants a playoff. but as I said earlier.

MONEY MONEY MONEY.

BOWLS BOWLS BOWLS.

SPONSERS SPONSERS SPONSERS

There is money in playoffs? Sure maybe. But no way near as much as with Bowls Bowls Bowls.

A team that wins a bcs game gets 10+ million. A team that wins PoDunk bowl gets 500,000. University Presidents don't want playoffs because of that very reason. Bowls bring big money. More money means more money to spend on players for programs like Alabama.

har har har. You probably hate me. But I lovvvvve you so much. MUAH

South Florida 45, Rutgers 31

By AP
Associated Press
Date: Nov 5, 2005

PISCATAWAY, N.J. (AP) - Andre Hall ran for 168 yards and three touchdowns and South Florida scored 28 points off six Rutgers' turnovers on the way to a 45-31 win over the Scarlet Knights on Saturday, the Bulls' first game in 21 days.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/255496.jpg

GO BULLS! I feel a Bowl Game coming!

I have not said that USC isnt doing good lately. (oh and by the way, I would be willing to bet my dog that USC is "taking care" of their players - which is fine by be, but don't go acting like the SEC is so back woods that we are/were the only ones doing that) Every dog has its day.

Also, again spare me with the "we beat them like this and you beat them like that" you know that every game is played differently and you can't judge the "way" a game is going to go by that. That is why I HATE the "voting" thing with NCAA football. A WIN IS A WIN - Arkansas could have been having a good day the day we played them etc. (Alabama beat Tenn, and Tenn beat LSU so does that mean we are going to beat LSU - Not that simple)

I think that, it doesnt matter what I think. Alabama should be # 3 this week. (unless the "voters" don't think we "belong" @ #3) I am more worried about LSU then USC. I personally wouldnt put Alabama up agains USC RIGHT NOW. Our offensive line is weak. However your offense wouldnt look so great against an Alabama or Auburn Defense. <check the stats

USC is the Number 1 offense in the country and that is earned not voted on. Alabama is the #2 defense in the country and "thank God" that is earned and not voted on.

I have no idea how USC would do in the SEC. I guess yall would do pretty good this year - not because "the SEC is Down this year" but because USC is good.

I think that with the system the way it is right now every team that goes undefeated (with any kind of schedule) should be screaming, spitting angry that they don't GET A CHANCE at the championship. And LSU can say that they are NATIONAL CHAMPS 2002. And, AUBURN should be able to say that they are NATIONAL CHAMPS 2004. Just because some schmo voter in Wyoming or where ever thinks that USC could beat Auburn (or whoever) doesn't mean that it would happen. WIN IT ON THE FIELD.

One more thing, If, by some small chance, Alabama beats LSU and Auburn, and wins the SEC championship, (I know that is a HUGE if) and USC plays Alabama and wins by 1 point or 30 points, it wouldnt mean that USC is better then the entire SEC it would mean that USC was better then Alabama that day and there fore would EARN their NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. I know, you would think that would be a given and redundant statement. But, mark my words some sports writer would take that win as proof of the accuracy of the voting system.

WOW i am sorry for droaning (sp?) on an on. I am really enjoying this conversation.

Cyclones beat K-State 45-17! I didn't even mind watching it when it started raining on me in the second half. :)

Yeah, I was a little nervous about arkansas... at least we won.


And who the hell is this guy thinking that the ACC has better teams than the SEC? I'm sorry, but look at the rankings and you can tell that the SEC outweighs ACC any day. Considering for the majority of the season, 2 of the top 3 teams were SEC, and the one that wasn't was definitely NOT ACC (USC). That's just crazy.

Ok, I'm going to admit it. My Cougs suck this year. We are terrible. I think we'll be lucky to pull out one more win (hopefully in two weeks against those UW Dawgs). But you know what, I'll be there next week, cheering on as usual. Who knows, we could win!!!

And on a side note, GO USC. It pains me to say that, but they make the Pac-10 look good, since the rest of us all seem to be having problems.

True...Now the question is where are we going? In the paper, they said probably Music City if we loose to Fla. and Clemson, Peach if we beat one of them and back to Outback if we beat both. Honestly, I don't think we're going to be Fla. (but I didn't think we would beat Tenn. either) and we may have a chance with Clemson (especially if the game is close and in the last quarter;) ) I want to go to the Peach Bowl (family, don't worry about hotel, take MARTA to the Georgia Dome).

And yes, SEC is way better than the ACC. The SEC didn't have to bring in other schools to be competive in football.;)

TEXAS 62
Baylor 0

Yeah, a return to the Rose Bowl would be nice.:)

Connie. You are telling me that you believe USC pays their players? Well, I don't know. But I do know this. If USC is paying their players atleast they don't get caught. I hate to be mean about this but USC fan isn't as fanatical as Alabama fan. You know. Because USC fan probably has a life and doesn't care whether not a 5 star recruit goes to their school. They will get over it. Unlike Alabama fan whose life revolves around college football because, well, basically that is all that there is to live for out there. But hey I love the SEC and all their fanatical fans. The SEC has the best rivalries, the most hatred, best traditions and best fans. So yeah I guess it is good to be fanatical.

Alabama is #2 in the country in defense. Yeah man, I gotta admit. That win against Florida was awesome. You guys held them to what? 3 points? Whats even more impressive is that Alabama has also shut down vaunted offenses like Arkansas, Ole MIss, Miss State, Southern Miss, a 3-5 Tennessee team and NCAA powerhouses like Utah State and Middle Tenn State.

USC's defense is something that people talk about a lot. Heres the thing. USC's defense right now has walk ons, converted wide recievers, scout players and male cheerleaders starting. I have never seen a squad so injured before. I don't know what it is but these dudes are banged up like hell. But they are improving week by week which is all me and Amycat can ask for. These guys are mostly freshman and sophomores and lost a TON of starters from previous years. But you know what? The points they are giving up are still against legit offenses (Notre Dame, Oregon, Arizona State, Washington St). All those other points you see these Trojans giving up is during garbage time. Garbage time is usually around the 2nd quarter when USC is up 45-0 and Pete decides to be nice and let a bunch of Rudys play. Anyways when it matters the most. they step up. Pete is great at making adjustments and the injuries are becoming less and less. Now you will start to see all the 5 star recruits come back from their petty injuries like mono or getting stung by a bee or getting rejected by an Alpha Phi. Whatever it is. Right now USC's D is ranked 33 I think. But believe me by seasons end it will get lower.

Amy will nod her head on this one...the area of concern for the Trojans is their lack of care for punt and kickoff coverage. They SUCK in that department so if a team plans on beating USC they should definately exploit that.

Ok and your take on " if USC beats Alabama by 30 or 1 still doesn't mean they are the better team....". WHAT? What are you drunk? Well then what the hell does that mean? Why even better play the game?

Why not play it like this according to your mentality:

RING RING RING:

Alabama (all groggy) : uhhhhh hello
USC: Sup BRAH! Hey are you doin alright today?
ALabama: uhhhh no man...not to good.
USC: Ahhh ok. Well I'm doing really good. So I guess I'm the better team today
Alabama: Yyyeah man. Looks like it
USC: Ahh don't worry man. You can be the better team tommorow if I don't feel good.


What you just said totally takes away from what Alabama has done this season. So next time some Florida fan comes up to you and says " hey man, nice win vs us". you should say " ahhhh don't feel so bad Gator. We were the better team that day, but you are better than us 364 days out of the year!"

Oh yeah. You know how the White Sox beat the Astros in the world series? Yeah that doesn't mean anything. Because the White Sox were the better team than the Astros for 4 days.

Ok someone give me a shotgun because I am killin it.


What is funny is that I sound like a guy that really hates the SEC. But in reality, I actually LOVE the SEC. It is honestly my favorite conference to watch (that and ofcourse the Pac 10). I love the fans, the traditions and the rivalries. I feel they are 2nd to none.

Vince Young is a freak. I will not be upset if he gets the heisman, although ofcourse I will be going for Mr. Bush.

The dude who wrote the article is some dude from Atlanta. Supposedly he is a GTech guy so naturally...

Anyways you can't deny what he says. Most of it is true. The ACC is a bad ass conference. No doubt the SEC has been better than the ACC in the past. But that is what it is. The past.

He brought up good points in naming the ACC powerhouses (although I don't think he shuold have named BC). Miami, Va Tech and FSU. I'd put them up anyday against whoever the SEC considers their top 3. I'll say Florida, Georgia and LSU (I would say Alabama but according to Connie, it was only that one day that Alabama was better than Florida). Like he said...the ACC has alot of competitive teams (Uva, GTech, Clemson, Maryland, BC)...but so does the SEC.

what should really happen is for the ACC and the SEC to just have an all out ghetto brawl. Everyone vs everyone. Top to bottom. But ofcourse what will happen is South Carolina vs Clemson. WHICH I THINK IS FREAKING COOL BTW. And as Jitterbug knows, I cannt WAIT for that game baby. I'll be rockin out with my cock out baby. My gamecock that is. Yyyyeah.

Joe Pa is the SHIT! I'm glad Penn State is back. BCS bowl game for State this year but next year you guys will be rank very high considering most of the team this year are freshman and sophomores. Seriously I am so happy that Penn State is back.


Surviving any conference is rough, simply because conference play is that much tougher. The teams are familiar with your style of play, fans are more involves and more pride is at stake. Each year every conference beats up on each other. But seriously The Big 10 this year has been AWESOME! Michigan should have just let you guys win so perhaps the Big 10 could get NC consideration!

Seriously every week some Big 10 team thinks they are the shit because they just beat someone who they shouldn't have beat. Then the nxt week they lose to someone they shouldn't have lost to. Gah...=(.

Look at their standings so far!

Penn State 6-1 9-1
Ohio State 5-1 7-2
Wisconsin 5-2 8-2
Northwestern 4-2 6-3
Michigan 4-2 6-3
Minnesota 3-3 6-3
Iowa 3-3 5-4
Michigan State 2-4 5-4
Indiana 1-5 4-5
Purdue 1-5 3-6
Illinois 0-6 2-7

:D ;) Don't forget about Ga./Ga. Tech. Don't Fla. and Fla. State play each other too?

Yes Florida and Florida State do play in a couple of weeks.

That is the one and only time I cheer for UF.

Bobby the Don and CarolinaDG,

I have bad news.

If you plan to stay home and not go to Williams-Brice Stadium to watch the Carolina/Clemson game, you have to fork up $30 to watch it on TV. That's right, ESPN, CBS and Jefferson Pilot have passed on the game and it will be on PPV. There are even worst match ups on TV that will be on those channels. Game starts at 7 p.m.

For that kind of $, I better well go (for a couple of bucks more). And that way, Bobby will get to see the fights in the stands I talked about because fans will have spent the whole day drinking.

Signed,
JB13 (BKA Gamecock Fan)