I'm going with the actives on this one. What if she was out in the real world and she tried this mess at her job. Trust, her bosses would not be as understanding as the Zeta Sigma Phi's have been.

So at first I was like Meena needs to definitely go, then this episode when I saw how close she was getting to Janelle and Carmen, I was like aw this is really sweet, but then when the actives confronted Meena about being there just for MTV and her kind of brushing that aside and not strongly denying it-- yeah, the sisters were right on this one. Not to mention that if she really cared in the first place, she would have made more of an effort to be at events-- okay, so she couldn't go to like all of the events, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have an hour here or there to try to at least get together with an active sister or 2 just to get to know them better-- she looked dumb when she couldn't even remember the active's name she cooked breakfast for.

This sorority really bothers me. After tonight, I really am rooting for the pledges to DP. They didn't even warn Meena or anything. It was unfair, and yes, she wasn't at any events, but the way they went about doing this was terrible. They were so rude to her. This isn't just bad sisterhood, this is just plain bad. If those actives had any human decency, they wouldn't treat a person with such disreguard. No warning, just boom, you're out. I'm sorry, but that just sucks. I'd get out of this house quick if I were them. :mad:

if meena was all touched and happy that she finally has close friends then why didnt she make a bigger effort?
its like she thinks the sorority is there for her but she isnt there for the sorority.

Although I don't disagree that Meena would not have been voted to cross over and so it was better to remove her now than later, I thought the way it was handled (or at least the parts we saw on tv) were just mean. Obviously, she's never pledged a sorority before. And while it may seem like common sense that you need to attend the majority of events and make a strong effort to get to know people, if she was lacking (and we know she was), then the sisters should have made a point to tell her that earlier in the pledge process. I mean, her pledge educator is Stone Face and her big sister disliked her...what kind of start is that? I just think the chapter came off looking like jerks.

It's really funny to me how Meena through out the meeting with the actives, she didn't show much emotion when they were depledging her (I'm sure MTV wouldn't leave that out) but wanted to cry when the pledges were crying.

The sorority is not just there so you can pick and choose who you want to talk to. The LEAST she could do was talk to her big sis. The reason why her big sis didn't like her was because Meena didn't even try to get to know her. She made NO effort to go out of her way to do ANYTHING. So what if she got along with her roommates. She isn't there long enough to not get along with them.

Janelle kept on saying that "this isn't sisterhood" but what was Meena doing to show she had sisterhood. Sisterhood is about being there for one another and Meena wasn't there for anyone. Since Meena was going to be leaving soon, she should of been the MAIN person busting her butt to get to know people.

Also how can she go through four years in college and not have friends? I couldn't believe it when she said that she finally have friends. Most dance teams and sport teams are like families (sometimes closer than sororities) because you have to spend so much time with them practicing and going on road trips with one another. I could understand if she studies ALL the time and never had any time for a social life but I think of her activities as a social life. Why aren't those people her friends? Make me question what type of person she really is....

I agree she wasn't pulling her weight and what not, but DAMN, that was just cold! To ask a girl to move out of the house, in the middle of the semester/quarter and in the middle of midterms? I mean, come on!! I just wonder what her housing options are right now! It was nice to see Janelle upset about it, and the other nice thing was when she said she was thinking of depledging, Meena told her not to. If Meena wanted to make drama, she could, because she could easily sway some ladies into leaving.

But, all in all, this is only the 3rd episode I actually watched, and it is STILL BORING!

I agree w/ the moving out thing somewhat - but they did give her an extension. (i.e. go to sleep, take your midterm and then pack up) They came back the next day and she hadn't done ANYTHING. If the other house pledges loved her so much, why didn't they help her with her packing and so on?

I'm fairly sure that MTV, if not the sisters, would not leave her unhoused and probably had an apartment nearby in case something like this happened. Also, there could have been something in their MTV contracts that said if a person is not affiliated with the sorority they cannot reside in the pledge house (to prevent things like boyfriends shacking there). They may have been afraid of violating the terms of the contract (and losing $$$) and that is why they were harsh.

And if you have not been to a single event, haven't done jack as far as getting to know people outside the events, and don't seem to be too upset about it, why on earth would you be surprised that you got kicked out??? That would be like if you never went to work and didn't understand why you got fired.

I totally agree! I mean, if there was a problem during the first four weeks and the actives had even a slight idea that they would not let her "cross over" - they should have let her know and given her a chance to prove that she really wanted it. I completely agree that she was a slacker, but I've been through the process before and now have my own expectations. Some ladies just don't get it - maybe some earlier intervention could've helped ....

But who in their right minds would think that you don't have to do ANYTHING to get into a sorority. If those were her "friends," why would she feel bad that they had to do all the work and she wasn't doing anything? She never even tried to make up the events she missed.

If you were dating someone and they stood you up on every date that you all had planned, wouldn't you dump that person? Or would you just stay together because they didn't get a warning that your relationship is in jeopardy?

I agree! The actives don't owe Meena anything! She hasn't tried to get to know anyone in the sorority. Didn't she say on an earlier episode that if she didn't live in the house she wouldn't know any of the other pledges? That's ridiculous! The fact remains that pledging wasn't a priority to her, and she showed it!

And beyond that, she didn't even try to make up for what she missed! And in the "confrontation", she said that "Carmen and I made breakfast for what's-her-name". She didn't do that, Carmen did! She'd be a slacker sister (not that she would be around) and she deserved to be DP'd.

I'm with the actives on this one. Meena needed to be dropped for the reasons already stated. I may seem mean, but I was saying to myself, "cry me a river!" It's a little late to try to stand up for yourself now, making all of these promises (I'll try harder, I'll start coming to more things now, I missed the biggest dance competition in the country for this, etc. etc), KNOWING FULL WELL you can't keep them. It is just not the right time for Meena to pledge anything and she should have known that from the beginning. And then the girls in the house felt compelled to talk to the sisters. It would have been different if EVERY SINGLE pledge in the pledge class wanted her to stay, and maybe if I were an active I would have taken it into account. However you have 10 other pledges feeling the same as 25 actives. You do the math.

Meena's a great girl, but not the greatest pledge. Something to think about...

I keep remembering her big sis, Lynnise saying "ITS OVERRR" and I thought that was a bit harsh. Yeah, it's over, but do you have to be so rude about it?

Along with what some people were saying, where was that poor girl going to live getting kicked out in a day? But then again people get evicted from their homes all across the country every day, her's was just aired on TV

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Just needed to put my two scents in there. Meena got what she deserved. The girl has not been to any events, hardly any points or anything. None of her pledge class sisters outside the house really knew her. She needed to be DP'd. I am glad they did kick her out, she was irratating me, lol.

I'm sorry, but no one has the right to treat people as coldly as they treated Meena. It sent chills down my spine. It's like they had no hearts or no sympathy. If they're going to kick her out, fine, but cut the girl a little slack. You're throwing her world upside down by kicking her out and forcing her to move out on national tv. And they didn't give her time, they gave her a day, and when she asked for just one more night, they're like, "fine you can leave your stuff here for the night, but you can't stay here." Um, hello? That is just plain evil.

There are comments being made in this thread that do nothing but further the bad impression that so many have of greeks.

I'm still going with the actives on this one. I thought they handled the situation very well.

I know some of you think it was wrong to kick Meena out in the middle of the process. But think of it this way, if she lived in a apartment and didn't pay her rent her landlord has every right to evicite her. The sisters were nice enough to let her keep her stuff there,but ask that she sleep else where. That's their right.

They have only had three events. I also think her big sister didn't really try to get to know her. From what I could see, she has been at most of the meetings for pledging.

I think it was wrong to not tell her she had one day to get out and then kick her out like they did. You can argue that if she did this at her job or at her apartment, she would have been on the street, but THIS IS NOT HAPPENING because she didnt pay her rent or she slacked off at job. She gave up her apartment when she moved in and she probarbly arranged to have it subleased and such. It just isnt fair to expect her to be able to move out while she is trying to go to school and such.

Also, what evidence did the sisters present that she has been spreading things about the sorority (MTV, secrets). Obviously heresay goes a long way for those girls. I know a lot of gossip on my campus happens because people are looking to start trouble with others.

I hate the whole attitude that people have to prove they want to belong to a group. Its kinda like they have to go out of their way to get someone to like them and that the sisters do not have to do anything to make the girls feel comfortable or accepted. I think local sororities should be under panhellenic rules about rush and hazing and such, and have a more positive outlook on people joining than "proving"

Pledging for me was great. We didnt have this crap about people missing events and we were treated as equals with the sisters and they helped us along the way.

we only saw three events on screen. I think someone mentioned this was the 4th week of pledging, so I am guessing there were many more events than what were shown. as far as hearing about her saying she was only there for MTV, I would guess that they heard that from friends at school, where MTV can't film at all. Please do not fall into the trap of thinking if it didn't happen on screen, it did not happen. They film these women 24/7 for 2-3 months and edit it down to the 9 most conflict-filled hours they can.

That is wonderful that you didn't have probs with people missing events, but I am guessing if you had a pledgesister who never came to anything she wouldn't be initiated, "equality" with the sisters or not. They didn't terminate Meena's pledgeship in the nicest manner, but it has nothing to do with making her prove anything. She was not only doing what was expected of her as a pledge, she was not doing what was expected of any sister - I'm sure if they have a sister who consistently misses events she is disciplined as well. All NPC groups have attendance policies - it's part of being a responsible sister.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT!! From what I can piece together, there were more events than the three events organizated by the actives. The pledges had meetings all the time. Does anyone remember the pledge meeting that they had to BEG Meena to come to and it was at HER own house? And please don't say that a midnight meeting is too late because when I was in college, most of my friends didn't START studying until midnight. It wasn't like she had to travel far to get there.

There were MANY times when I was so tired that I was near tears and someone called a meeting for one of my Church groups or sorority. Did anyone have to beg me to get out of bed? NO My church is 45 minutes away from my home but I still drove down there WHENEVER they needed me. I have been up to 3-4 o'clock in the morning trying to plan an event with my sorority, even though I had class 8:00 the next morning. And you want to know why? BECAUSE I CARED. Maybe MTV edited all the times Meena helped out with her pledge class, but it's really funny how all the pledges outside of the house didn't see it either. When Meena told some of her pledge sisters that she wasn't going to be there for two important events, to me she had an "oh well" attitude. She didn't act really upset about it.

Why is it asking too much for them to want to see Meena act like she wants to be there? I would agree that they should of given her a warning, but Meena isn't stupid. She knows she couldn't get away with that type of behavior in any of her other groups, so why should she expect to get away with it for the sorority?

agreed...it's just unfortunate that the visuals showed them removing her so poorly. she should have left the house immediately and not remained to upset he other inhouse pledges.

I have to go with TNXbutterfly, on this one, I am behind the actives. I guess because in my organization and the other ones on my campus, pledging is different. That stuff she pulled would not have let her last so long. I mean you she is wasting no only her time but the time of the other pledges and of the actives. She really didnt want to be in a sorority, she just wanted to add it to her list of things.

I missed out on last week's episode. I know that they show the previous week's episode before showing the new one. Does anyone know what time it will be aired? I want to see the reactions of Meena getting the boot from ZSP.

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It's probably re-run at 9:30pm, half an hour before the new one.

Someone said that we don't get to see everything and so if we didn't see it that does not mean that it didn't happen. Well then the same goes for her doing and saying good things. This is Meena's last semester and after that she's going to grad school at NYU. If those girls had even half a brain they'd realize how good that would make their sorority look and the potnetial for having a successful alumna in the future. That's the problem with the all the people on these shows, they don't think of anything past like a month....In the end they will suffer for it.

Who cares how good she will make the sorority look if she is never there? Sorry, that is one excuse I've heard many many times and it just doesn't wash. When you have a smaller chapter there is no time for the "special guest stars" who have a resume a mile long but are never around.

*Conversation at the Zeta Sigma Phi Informational *

Sister: Our most famous sister, Meena, just received the Nobel Peace Prize this month. We are so proud of her.

Interest: Wow, I'm sure she comes around all the time.

Sister: Ummm, not really. We haven't seen her since she was initiated in our sorority.

Interest: Oh, well I'm sure she always sent financial contributions to the chapter.

Sister: Well, no... She never helped out with anything with the sorority.

Interest: Does anyone talk to her?

Sister: Well, no.. but she sent us an autographed picture of herself once.

Interest: Is anyone friends with her?

Sister: No *puts head down and walks out of the room*

Can we make out later?

I wish people would understand that small chapters at big schools have to operate differently. That's #1 on the list; you can't have 30 members on your active roster when only 15 show up to anything....it's a big difference between 30:15 and 90:50

Okay, they made the pledges get groceries? Bump that. I'd NEVER make a pledge do that for me. That's degrading. It's like they are the sisters personal assistant (nice word for personal slave). I'm really not feeling this season.

And next episode doesn't look good either....:rolleyes:

Mylife, your comment didn't make sense.....Condelezza Rice is probably our most famous alumni along with Trista Rhen, but have I ever met them no, are they my friends, no.
Anyway, this episode....no one is really discussing...it was pretty boring....though I think next week may be the end of Carmen, which is too bad cause she would have made a great active but they just beat the desire to be one right out of her. These women are terrible to their pledges and I wouldn't be surprised if this sorority does not last.

It was just something that I could see happening. if someone is apart of a local sorority and no one ever sees you after you are initiated, that's a problem. If she can't do anything while she is on campus, do you really think she is going to help out when she has graduated from Harvard? If you are famous and you NEVER did one thing for your organization, you are just another name on the roster. I rather have a sister that is successful in her own life and is financially or physically aiding my sorority, than someone who is famous and doesn't give a d*!n about my organization.

i just wanted to say i think the little activity they did with poking the holes into the paper whenever they agreed with a negative statement...and then had to open it up to see it was a picture of the sorority with holes all over them...i thought that was a very effective little project. its a good way to get the point across that every little negative thing you do as a person...effects your sorority as a whole.

on the other hand...i think someone said earlier that she thought it was funny how meena didnt show any emotion when the actives were depledging her...yet she cried when the other pledges cried. welll...would you cry in front of people that were kickin ya out like they never cared in the first place? i know i wouldnt. she cried with the people she was connected with. its sad when the only sisterhood you feel...is through the pledges and NOT through the actives.

i dont believe this sorority has strong enough sisterhood to survive.

Exactly, we have to remember this is a local sorority and the sisters/alumnae at this chapter are ALL the sisters/alumnae there are. I don't think anyone is ripping on Condoleeza for not coming to participate in Greek Olympics, LOL.

The picture thing was a very, very good illustration - kudos to whoever thought of it. But there is NWIH I would run around getting groceries for anyone unless there was a physical reason they couldn't. That was out of line.

mmmm Stan, tempting offer....as long as there are no skanky chicks in your room looking for their belts I will consider it. :D

Wow that's a bold statement. To me, it says a lot that they never had to tell someone to leave the a pledge class before Meena and have existed since 1994. I guess some organizations don't mind if you don't show up to any events.

Now that I think about it... why should the actives think that the sorority is just as important as her dance groups? Why didn't they understand that the sorority was just one of the things on her list of "Things to do While in College?" It's just a sorority... The nerve :rolleyes:


I didn't understand why they had to buy the actives groceries either. They could of thought of another activity that got the same point across without requiring them to use their own money. But the hole punching activity was good. I wish I could borrow it...

1) it is a bold statement...but to let MTV portray your sisterhood in ways that you may not necessarily want them to...is also a BOLD thing to do. i just dont believe (and i am allowed to have an opinion) that their sisterhood is strong...maybe i am bias because i come from a sorority...and a chapter...with AMAZING sisterhood, and i just dont see that represented on the show...which is all i have to go by.

2) about the whole "things to do while in college...its just a sorority...the nerve" thing...i dont believe the sorority should come last on her priority list, but i think its good that meena is so involved with other clubs and organizations. i know some sororities around here that REQUIRE their ladies to be involved in at least ONE other organization (and i actually think they are required to have a leadership position as well...or something like that)...its not to take attention away from their beloved sorority...its to get your name across and make your sorority KNOWN everywhere. i DO believe meena wasnt putting her all into the sorority yet, but who's to say she wouldnt have? we have had new members that we had doubts about at first because they were so involved with other stuff...yet they have come out to be some of our BEST sisters!

I really think that while she coudl've come to more events she was trying to make this work out and obviously did put the sorority on her list, I mean sure there are some tough decisions... I recall a post where a lady was missing pref to go to her soccer game or not play soccer anymore. I mean how many of us would join a sorority if you had NO time for ANY other outside activities ? I know I wouldn't. As long as my sisters make an effort which to me Meena did by skipping a NATIONAL competition with her dance team which I SURE she got TONS of crap for missing for "sorority" AND her pledge class didn't even think that she was missing that much and supported her choices and priorities, then I say she's got the makings of a great sister. I can understand if she was showing NO caring at all for being at events, but she did, and the way they did it was shady as well, not even telling the other members of her class was messed up, and giving her no fair warning I wouldn't appreciate that.

Well it looks like that I'm just going to have to agree to disagree about the Meena situation. I am from a small sorority and maybe I would feel different if I was apart of a chapter that had over 30 active members in it. I don't know.

My sorority likes for people who are pursuing membership to be officers in other organizations also to show that they can handle the responsibilities of a sorority not necessarily to be only walking billboards.

I do agree that prior notice should have been given to Meena regarding possible DPing. Also, buying groceries for the actives, a big no-no.

I don't think the problem here is that Meena has no time for ANY activities. I think it's that she is clearly does not have ANY time for the sorority. Her priorities lye in her (3) dance teams, etc. Also, about the competition she missed out on, "Bhangra Blowout" practices for this competition are INTENSE. She would have had no time at all to pledge if she had done it. My cousin was on USC's team this year, that's how I know.

Many arguments here seem to stem from the different viewpoints regarding membership for each organization. Could it be that organizations with smaller chapter size expect their members to step up and take officer roles and be leaders, while larger chapters, 30 or more members, can let most members slip through the cracks, since there are usually other members who want to lead anyway? Maybe members of larger organizations can enlighten us on this one.

I disagree. Every organization is not going to educate new members in the same way. Some are so critical of ZSP's policies for new membership education. Why should their process be so much like yours? Part of what makes an organization stand out from the rest is these slight differences. Again, I disagree with grocery shopping and DPing someone on the fly.

What was up with the activity the actives made the pledges do with a folded paper (a picture) and a pen? I understand they wanted the pledges to punch holes in the paper in response to various questions. However, I was baffled by the point of it and that the actives saw little hope of the pledges being initiated into ZSP.


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The point was that everytime you say or do something negative it is like driving a dagger through your sisters' hearts. When you keep being negative it takes what was a pretty picture and ruins it.