As for hazing....this is on the MTV Website, the official home of "Sorority Life", Under Jordan' (a "pledge") in her interview:


What was the worst thing about pledging?
Having to relive childhood experiences - having to dig up old memories because you're reminded by their cruelty. You know how mean kids can be? It was like [it was] happening all over again - having to relive it. Therapeutic but painful.

Notice "...by their cruelty."....to me, thats hazing!

Folks, you should take these words to heart. Complaining about the image the Sigmas project won't do any good if you yourself aren't showing a positive image of Greek life.

You don't have to be on national television to have someone watching you. Are they going to like what they see?

RUGreek,

Will you marry me? ;) Or, will you admit that you're my sarcasm sidekick from Clarion under an assumed sex/name? :D

As far as "not hazing" it really doesn't matter what NPC considers hazing, since they are not an NPC group. And I somehow doubt that they are swatting each other in underwear or leaving dead horses in the dean's office.

In the immortal words of Felix Unger "when we assume we make an ASS out of U and ME." So let's stop assuming till we see a couple episodes. If it turns out well, we'll feel pretty friggin stupid for worrying about it. :)

As for what I consider hazing: From the NPC website
1997, 1979, 1977, 1969--Hazing
Hazing is defined as any action or situation with or without consent which recklessly, intentionally or unintentionally endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student, or creates risk of injury, or causes discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule or which willfully destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into or affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in a chapter or colony of an NPC member fraternity. All member groups will affirm their policies denouncing hazing and inform their membership of this NPC position denouncing hazing through mailings and through their inter/national magazines.

33: I know they are not NPC, I didn't miss that. But for one chapter of one group to make a statement like a national show, they are impacting NPC groups everwhere. And they say there is nothing bad and so on, but what everyone considers bad and what NPC and all of our 26 groups do not allow are two different things. They will impact NPC groups, but what outsiders do not understand is that NPC and local groups are different.

As for not worring and making sure each of us are the best examples for our group...That's why I am upset. I strive everyday to be the best I can and to help our chapters. I am an Alum Association Pres and House Corp Pres and I hate to see women that work so hard to get a good name in the community and then take 10 steps back b/c of a local group on a national show. That goes for all the Locals that do not function the same as "sigma".

No matter if we wait four days or not, they show as a whole is a bad idea for Greeks everwhere b/c non-Greeks do ot understand this is how one group functions, they will generalize like every other bad PR show that comes out. The issue still remains it was this group's choice and their choice will effect more than there chapter, and that is unfortunate.

I will be at KD National Leadership Conf. this weekend and I am sure to bring this up and have a plan of attack to field questions from PNMs and Parents regarding the show during recruitment.

Have fun watching, I will be in Memphis and I assure you we will not be tuned in.

Calm down
 

In response to some of your posts:

33 girl: I don't feel that I need to get a grip. I understand very well that the only time Ae Phi is mentioned is under their "history" section but that is exactly my point. Their "history" is where they originated from...when people see Ae Phi under that heading, they are going to assume that SAePi used to be Ae Phi. Since the names are similar..(to non-greek people), they may use Ae Phi's name instead, when speaking about this show. My opinion is that the sigmas should not have put our name on their now that they are attracting national attention. And though it may not be their fault that the DJ made a mistake, it very well could have been and if one person made that mistake, others will follow.

Zuma- It is easy for people who aren't educated about the greek system to confuse sororities. This is why I am upset about our name on your website. And yes, I am angry....and I have a right to be. I do not know you girls and the show hasn't been on yet....but knowing MTV, I know that the show will not be what you want it to be....they will portray you girls in a bad light...im sorry...but the truth hurts. Im not even going to respond to your McDonalds comparison because it has no relevance...you can not compare a fast food chain to a sorority.
Mc Donalds never said "Since Burger King closed down, we decided to open, because of the need for fast food." Whatever.

UCD boy- There wasn't a need to correct anything ....I know where we were mentioned....I read it...maybe the group part was misinterpreted. Anyway, when I said "all hell will break loose" ..i used it as an expression. Yes, we are mature women...but when people on radio programs start using our name in reference to this show...my sisters will be pissed...as any other sorority would be also. Call me hostile, whatever you'd like...but I am simply stating my opinion...and I have a right to do that.

Aephialum- Thanks so much for your support, Im glad you understand...it is very easy to be mislead reading their reference to our sorority...but some people don't want to be held accountable for anything or admit wrongdoing. I am surprised that you don't see anything wrong with it though...just think of how nationals will feel when this happens again....a DJ making fun of our chapters...stating which ones are ugly and which ones are not...that is not fair...and the sigmas indirectly put us in this position. Im sorry...but it just makes me mad. You know how people are, everyone (non-greeks) who heard that broadcast will now think of aephi as the girls on that show.

Lexi -

Don't you think that you should at least watch the show so you can know exactly what it is that you're "attacking"? :confused:

33: I'm not "attacking" anything. But if you saw the new promo with the "Sigma house full of B's", then maybe you too would try to get a little ahead of the game. And with recruitment around the corner I will be proactive with this situation.

Parents and PNMs will have comments. It is my responsibility to answer questions about KD and how we are not like what will be portrayed. I feel that our women need to be educated inorder to know how to handle this situation. I am not saying that everything will be bad or that this groups is bad, but MTV will show the interesting/ratings parts to attract viewers and not the fun mushy stuff that make up that group.

aggiegirl 04 ---"I'm not in, nor would I ever consider joining any part of the greek system...."


At the risk of seeming ultra-catty, here goes: It seems like you're spending an awful lot of time worrying about issues and people that you'll never have to deal with then...... Don't knock it till ya' try it. Till then, criticizing people who are "in" will only tick them off.


"...but I know I don't need to define myself by three letters...."

But you're willing to define yourself by 5? (your handle says it all) A-G-G-I-E. Have you seen the "Aggies are Hazing" thread yet? Don't know about you , but that one leaves a little pang in my heart. It hurts to see something you love tarnished even a little bit. Most of us have the utmost respect not only for our own orgs, but the system that allows them to exist, as a whole.
If you buy into the whole "Aggie" cult (you know exactly what I mean), then you're defining yourself by three letters argument doesn't have a LEG TO STAND ON. That same kind of pride is what exists in a "greek" social organization, just on a smaller level. The only people who worry about the supposed "status" that those 3 letter might or might not give a person are those not wearing them. I'm disappointed in ya' Ag.

Thanks, & Gig' Em!
(aggiedz takes a bow & ducks the ensuing mud slinging)

huh?
 

Lexi - I might have not worded it well but you completely missed my point. I was referring to your comment that you wouldn't be watching. I agree that you need to figure out in advance how to answer questions PNMs & parents might have, but don't you think WATCHING the show would help you answer those questions more accurately? I think that Roger Ebert actually goes and watches the movie before he reviews it. He'd write some pretty silly reviews if he didn't.

Nor am I a part of the Greek system (yet)! Have you ever thought that the people on here are trying to defend the dignity and honor of their organizations? I don't know if you're in any clubs or organizations in your school, but how would you feel if MTV aired a special about how bad your org was? Like, "Real life college theatre" or something, where they would show how competitive and bitchy some of the people in plays can be? Try to think of it in that kind of light. I am personally offended by the MTV special commercials as a PNM. I finally got my parents and friends to the point that they agreed being in a Greek organziation would be benificial to me, then they see the MTV commercial... It's not just the view of greek life to PNMs or college students; it's everyone.

aggiedz... i think you missed my point, i somehow stubled upon this site, not because i have any interest in the greek system, but to try to get some insight into the show since some people i know may be on it. my point was that people outside either already have an opinion about what sorority life is like or do not care at all. Thinking of it as just a PR nightmare, and blaming the one group who decided to do something that you may not have done is not really going to do anyone any good, honestly do you really want the type of person who is so easily effectd by a silly mtv show as part of your sorority?? As i stated before I have friends in sororities, I know what goes on. I am not worrying about any issues or people, I just think that the way some people ha
ve dealt with the situation gives off a worse image than the show will. I honestly don't care if i piss people off, sometimes the people who are "in" as you put it can't see outside reaction that clearly. I'm not trying to dig on the greek system, or defend the decision made by SAEPi, I know it is not something I want to be a part of, I wont go into why, because I'm sure it will piss people off.

And speaking of assumptions... there is more than one school wiht the nickname the aggies... I go to UCD, not TA&M, or any of the other 6 school with the same nickname. the purpose of the screenname was to show my affiliation with UCD without having to directly say "hey i go to Davis" as I guess I should have. The whole "aggie pride" thing that goes on at A&M i know nothing about, nor the meaning of "gig'em", again you missed my point, I do not define who I am, nor am I judged by where I go to school or what social orginizations I belong to, like many members of the greek system do. If you don't see this go back and read some of the signatures of some of the posters here, or just listen to how members of one greek org will talk about another, people outside know what goes on, even though there are attempts to conceal it, people know. Take a step outside of your situation and see what other "outsiders" see and you may understand what I was getting at. Thiel- the point was that the attempts at "defending dignity and honor" were not done correctly, in effect the attempts make the organization look worse because of the personal attacks on others. I would actually welcome a real life type program to things I am involved with, the truth is that nothing is perfect, all organizations have problems, everyone knows this, I think it would be more beneficial to show the problems that exist so people know what they are getting themselves into. If you want to make it seem like sorority life is perfect and there is no problems at all then you have an arguement, but the fact is that it is not perfect. I know that I would have approached situations in my org's differently if I had known what problems existed in the first place, but I didnt. The fact that you were worried about convincing your friends and family that greek life would benefit you is part of why I want no part of it, you have to be able to make your own decisions about your life without being overly conserned about what other people think.

:rolleyes: "I do not define who I am, nor am I judged by where I go to school or what social orginizations I belong to"

Except when you bother to list your University affiliation in your screenname, right?


"I'm not in, nor would I ever consider joining any part of the greek system"

And you're only defined by the social organizations that you DON'T belong to, right?



"I have friends in sororities, I know what goes on."

Ye, GADS! Please, someone...... A lilttle help here? Next, she's going to go on about how she doesn't wan't to be part of an org. that circle's their pledges fat!


"The whole "aggie pride" thing that goes on at A&M i know nothing about"

Good. Let's keep it that way. You had me worried for a minute there. The last thing I wanted to see on GC was a self righteous GDI with an agenda using an A&M affiliation as an identifiying mark.


"Take a step outside of your situation and see what other "outsiders" see and you may understand what I was getting at. "

Been there, done that! Truth is, I was a non-member for the first three years of my collegiate experience. Delta Zeta and A&M's AMAZING greek system have been in my heart since Day 1. And remember, ALL of us were non-members at one point.


"people outside know what goes on, even though there are attempts to conceal it, people know"

If you're really going to go there, you'd better start giving some HARD evidence. 'Cause right about now you sound like a jilted, UNINFORMED, ignorant person making vague allusions that refer to nothing in particular and MAKE NO DEFENDABLE POINT!


"the point was that the attempts at "defending dignity and honor" were not done correctly"

Well, fill us in will you? Oh ye bastion of moral integrity?

Once again, it seems like you're spending an awful lot of time worrying about issues and people that you'll never have to deal with. The only people who worry about the supposed "status" that those 2 or 3 letters might or might not give a person are those not wearing them.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hazing? or just having issues?
 

I guess you have a pretty strange definition of hazing. I know you don't know the whole situation and I don't have time to explain it all, but trust me, no hazing went on. Who was cruel to Jordan? Does it say? Even if she was referring to sisters, heated arguments and personal issues are considered "hazing"? I think of hazing as humiliation, degradation or physical pain, and possibly associated with some sort of rite of passage. Another good way to define hazing would be by going with the definition from your military code/school/org./NPC. Ok, hypothetical situation, I join a frat/sorority and have some arguments and yelling matches with one or two of the members, maybe even get in a fight. I feel like that member or even the whole org. was cruel to me and I feel left out. The whole situation reminded me of some bad childhood memories. I was just hazed? I'm pretty sure that's just called having an argument, getting in a fight, not fitting in,drama, being mean, feeling left out and unwelcome, bad mojo(thanks Austin Powers), whatever you want to call it depending on which side you are on, but not hazing. I would be just a bit surprised if, in hypothetical land, that frat/sorority was booted off campus for hazing (insert sarcasm). :confused:



sorry lioness, it's my last one i promise hehe

sigma-insider, i still don't know why you think you know so much about sigma if you aren't one. you can not say they hazed or did not haze if you are not a member, can you? are you some kind of phantom that watched these girls every second and know everything that goes on? do you know their ritual?

fine, you want to define hazing. i'll give you the definition used on my campus....in accordance to NPC, IFC and local government guidelines..."hazing can be defined as being emotionally, physically, and psychologically battered...." maybe only in north carolina, they would consider a "pledge" (which according to NPC guidelines is considered hazing because it is a derogatory name) or "new member" (which is the correct term) was hazed if that person said "Having to relive childhood experiences - having to dig up old memories because you're reminded by their cruelty. You know how mean kids can be? It was like [it was] happening all over again - having to relive it" ...no where did she say anything about a fight between other people, and i do believe the question was "what the worst thing about PLEDGING"

oh, and sigma_insider, are you even greek?

From the MTV Sorority Life website:

What was the worst thing about pledging?
Being yelled at every week by the sisters. When they yell at me I don't like it, that sums it up. Also, being treated like you're less than them simply [because] you're pledging, even if you're older than them, that part was hard for me.
--Mara


HHHMMMMMMMMMMMM

What does this sound like to you?:rolleyes:

I didn't base my decision whether or not to go Greek on what my friends thought, but when they criticized my decision after the fact (when I hadn't asked their opinion), it was only natural that I would defend my choice. I suppose you're right that if you're only willing go Greek if all your friends approve, you are too dependent on what other people think. Then again, I don't know anyone like that, because all of us have at least one friend who is very anti-Greek - and yet, here we are in GLOs.

However, I do think convincing your family going Greek is a good idea hardly proves someone is a lemming! Many Greeks have their dues paid for by their families. Others have parents who threaten to withdraw all financial support if they join. Parents DO still have a strong influence over the "typical" age college student (aka 18-21) and their opinion thus needs to be taken into account.

Actually, I do know enough about the character of the girls in SigmaAEPi and have seen enough of what goes on to know that no hazing ever takes place. Jordan and Mara have reasons for such comments. They were involved in a situation which took place near the end of rush. However, their view is quite different from the view of others in Sigma and other PNMs. If one were to take their emotion-laden comments as fact without considering alternatives, one would have a very skewed interpretation of what it is like to pledge SigmaAEPi. Perhaps MTV will also take the 2 PNMs view and run with it. So be it. I suggest you check you http://www.realsororitylife.com to check the facts and maybe see "the situation," if it arises, in a different light. I'm talking so far into the future, but I guess I have been forced to in order to try and explain myself a little more. I'm sorry for still being so vague, but I don't know how wise it would be to devulge more specific details. Besides, you wouldn't want me to ruin the ending, would you? :cool:

After reviewing maggieaxid's posting again:

• I apologize for not knowing the correct terminology because no, I am not Greek (neither ethnically nor it terms of being involved in the Greek system)
• No I do not know their rituals, but I do know that none of them include being "emotionally, physically, and psychologically battered." (see first line, re: "character")
  
• lol, "are you even greek?" ..... is it bad not to be? I think I'm still allowed to talk if I'm not, just checking though.

I have just 2 things to say to this:

1) Very well said!!

2)Hook 'em Horns!! (sorry!! couldn't resist throwing this in!! :D :p )

But, you're not in Sigma. Bottom line. How do you know all that happens-are you with them 24 hours a day every day? Are you at their initiation? Have you seen their rituals? Were you there for every single minute of every day of the pledge period??

Just "knowing someone's character" doesn't mean anything. I know my best friend's character well enough to say she would never do this or that, but I'm not with her 24 hours a day, and I don't know everything she does.

I do want to say though, that this is not an automatic assumption/statement/ or whatever saying that Sigma hazes. I don't know if they do. But neither do you, since you're NOT A SIGMA.

Its pretty sad to see all the trash talking going back and forth on this site. I think I'm mostly upset by seeing people who are non-greek writing about how we are wrong to react the way we do. We haven't seen the show yet...and who knows, maybe it will be better than we all think...but we don't know that yet, and we have all the right in the world to be concerned! People watching this show are going to identifly all sororities and fraternities with it. It does not matter if we are not the same. That is a scary thought. The comments from the new members does sound like hazing! Does that mean it was? No, of course not. But do any of us know that for a fact? Of course MTV will play that up and make it look worse. That will make people think that all sororites and fraternities haze. I was not hazed, and to reply to Sigma...yes, if a fight occured that made me feel unwelcome, upset, unhappy, uncomfortable, etc, I would feel like I was be disrespected...which in turn could be hazing. Having new members is like bringing this wonderful new life to your chapter...why on earth would you want them to feel unwelcome or anything bad for that matter? I also don't agree with your statement about "knowing a person's character". No matter what you think you know, you are not a part of their group and you do not see what goes on on the inside. Anyone can tell you, A LOT happens on the inside. Things that are good and sometimes things that are not good. But we don't always go around telling everyone we know about our rituals, our fights, our disagreements, etc. Some things are left private. I'm not saying that the Sigma's hazed...that was not my point. But just because you know someones character does not mean you know what they are like all the time and when put into certain situations. Perhaps you should let the Sigma girls speak for themselves on such issues. Not that they would go saying that they hazed if that was the case Sigma Insider. You are so sad that things had to come to what? Us asking questions and discussing our opinions? I love reading what everyone has posted...good and bad. Some I agree with, some I don't. But isn't that the point of this board? For everyone to get their opinions out and discuss them? This happens to be a very important issue I think.
To all the other non-greeks complaining about any of us having opinions on the matter...although its interesting to hear your point...if you are going to sit there and bash us and say you would never join...why are you taking so much to read and comment back. This does not affect you.

Yes we have a right to be concerned about this. For those of us who 'define ourselves by three letters' (personally mine is two) this series hits too close to home. For many of us our GLOs are like a second family. And unless you are the Osbournes, most families would not want their activities, good or bad, televised for the MTV viewing audience. The Osbournes do have more control over the editing than I think the 'sigmas' have and I think that is where our concern lies, at least I know mine does. I'm sure they are a great group of girls, I don't know them, nor will I even if I watched all the episodes. I think most of the people who have posted on this site are concerned about what is going to be portrayed.

Im a Sigma alum, Im also a founder (so now everyone who knows me will figure out who I am if they havent already). Ive only been out a year. Our rituals havent changed. We dont haze. We would never try to hurt someone intentionally. I also know what the incident both Mara & Jordan are refering to (its all related to one thing really) and it came out of a misunderstanding of something else that happened. Its not hazing related. I could go on, but its probably something that could be better explained after you watch the show. Ok? Thanks.

Observation: There is so much being said here by independants about greeks bad-mouthing each other and fighting... It seems to me the problem is the confrontation between people that respect greek life, and those who don't...

To all the idependants on this board:
I am not in a Sorority, but I plan to be. I think you owe it to this board to treat GLO members with respect. I don't see why you're on here in the first place if you have no interest in greek life! Please don't say anything to me like, "Well, you're not greek... stop being a know-it-all." I am not claiming to know anything. I just know the greeks on my campus are some of the sweetest, helpful, and fun people I have ever met. Don't bash something you don't know about. I'm on the outside, I know... but I don't go around judging others by what organizations they choose to join.

:rolleyes:
 

My point seems to have been missed again, so I will restate i for the final time. I will also restate that I am not trying to launch any personal attacks, nor does it have anything to do with my personal opinion about greek life, if that is how you took it fine, but thats not how it was intended. Don't waste your time trying to attack me because I wont waste mine coming back here to read it.


My point from the beginning: Before you attack others for a decision they have made because it may tarnish your reputation, maybe you should step back and see if you are truely portraying the image that you want the outside world to see.

We are all going to have our own opinions....I understand this. Wheather you are greek, non-greek, alum or active, potential new member, member of a local, or member of a national...we are all different and looking at this from different angles. However, (this is going to sound catty and harsh)...there are more greeks and supporters of greeks on this board than GDI's (and if you don't know what a GDI, I suggest you find out). More of the greeks will be hurt by this, and we have a right to lash out and be angry. And you think there are issues now? Wait until the show starts, you don't think we are going to sit here and critisize and critique each individual sister and their organization after the show??? And, yes, we have the right to, because they aired their dirty laundry on national TV.

Oh, and I have a new question, this is to all the TRI-SIGMA's out there...do you have a problem with them using the nickname "Sigma". The Tri-Sigma's on my campus go by the name Sigma, and I know this has already effected them.

I hear you and I agree. :)

I'm a Tri Sigma, and I have to tell you, that everytime I hear the nickname "sigma" being used in reference to the MTV show, I wince.

As an alumnae advisory board member for my undergraduate chapter, I sincerely hope and pray that this does not negatively effect my girls this fall recruitment. We're having our summer planning meeting with the officer board this weekend, so I'm curious to know how they feel about all this.

Hi,
Perhpas if you had looked a little closer at my post, you would see whom I was addressing. I was addressing Sigma Insider, who is not a Sigma, but knows everything about it.

Sigma Insider, if you looked at my post more clearly, you would see that I never said anything about not trusting my friends. Because I re-read it, and I sure couldn't find anything like that. What I said was, although I have known my best friend for 13 years, I don't presume to know what she does every second of the day. And thanks for answering my questions re: how you know what the Sigma's do every day all day, if you're not one.

originally posted by aggiegirl04:

"nor does it have anything to do with my personal opinion about greek life"

-"I'm not in, nor would I ever consider joining any part of the greek system"

-"I know I don't need to define myself by three or four letters..."


"I am not trying to launch any personal attacks"

-"I honestly don't care if i piss people off"


"Before you attack others for a decision they have made..."

-"I'm not in, nor would I ever consider joining any part of the greek system, but I do have friends that are"

-"I know I don't need to define myself by three or four letters..."

-"I have friends in sororities, I know what goes on"

"I wont waste mine coming back here to read it."

Can I GET an Amen?

*****aggiegirl04: Queen of doublespeak and obviously well- prepared for a life in public office

SEX AND MTV 'SORORITY' (PageSix.com)
 

Here's something I found on news.yahoo.com:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rity____9___9_

SEX AND MTV 'SORORITY' (PageSix.com)
SNITCHES on the location of "Sorority Life" - an MTV reality show that's been shooting for three months at Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi on the Cal-Davis campus in Sacramento - say the steamiest scenes are happening off-camera.

A producer is said to be having an affair with one of the sexy young sorority sisters. "And she's getting preferential treatment," said one insider. "We would be deeply troubled if that were true," university spokesperson Maril Stratton told PAGE SIX. "MTV's presence in this community is predicated on reflecting the reality of these women's lives - not interfering or influencing their lives. It would be most unprofessional and exploitive." An MTV spokeswoman said flatly: "It's not true."

Less serious is the allegation that the show's creator, Sergio Meyers, was able to sneak some ringers into the Greek letter society. "MTV picked pretty girls and packed the sorority," said our source. "This isn't reality TV, it's enhanced reality. It's almost fantasy."
- Jun 10 3:46 AM ET

I can officially say that is the most ridiculous comment I've read on GC in quite a while. This is like saying, I know people that work at the White House, so I know what is going on in the Oval Office. If you're not in a Greek Organization, you cannot fully understand what happens behind closed doors.

And, just because I know about what it means to be an AGD, does not mean I understand anything about being a DZ, KD, ZTA...or an SAEPi...besides the fact that we all have the bond of being Greek. Many of us believe SAEPi (I don't like calling them Sigma, out of respect to the Tri-Sigmas) to have made a bad decision because we can't understand why they thought doing this show would be a good idea. We're not them, we weren't there deliberating about it, but it does affect us and that's why so many people are up in arms about it.

chiOjenn
 

I said that I don't know what they do 24 hours a day. That's correct. I also said that I know their character and activities enough to know what they wouldn't do. I know you disagree with that. That's fine. You don't have to trust my character judgments. I then realized that the only way you might understand that it is ridiculous to think that hazing goes on was to leave it to the girls in Sigma to actually tell you and the rest of the GC onlookers that no such thing ever happens (I think it should be Ok to still use that name, unless it's trademarked). Zuma was gracious to post her statements. Is it that you only want to hear responses from me? Ok:

Zuma, one of the founders and alums of SigmaAEPi wrote:
Im a Sigma alum, Im also a founder (so now everyone who knows me will figure out who I am if they havent already). Ive only been out a year. Our rituals havent changed. We dont haze. We would never try to hurt someone intentionally. I also know what the incident both Mara & Jordan are refering to (its all related to one thing really) and it came out of a misunderstanding of something else that happened. Its not hazing related. I could go on, but its probably something that could be better explained after you watch the show. Ok? Thanks.

She has the right to respond any post, and especially one that concerns her and one in which she first-hand knowledge. What's the problem?

If you respond that they could be doing anything cause I don't watch them 24 hours a day, I'm gonna cry.

Amen, AggieDZ :D

Re: SEX AND MTV 'SORORITY' (PageSix.com)
 

(edited for space)

That clip is out of The New York Posts gossip column and there is no truth or validity to it. I'm likely to believe anything out of the Post as much as I would out of the National Enquirer, since IMHO, they are on the same par.

(In General) Some people are going to believe only what they want to believe, and find support for it wherever they can, however they can. I've learned that lesson well from other areas in my life, and I think it applies here too (meaning Sorority Life, not necissarily the members on this board).

FYI for the Alpha Phi's regarding "Sorority Life"...

On Friday, I was watching "Extra" and they previewed the show... apparently Alpha Phi has a chapter at UC Davis and there was a Alpha Phi banner hanging up and the cameras showed it.

Is there truth to the comment that MTV "packed" the chapter with "ringers?" I would expect that from MTV, but, depending on the women they (MTV) chose, might be dissapointed that the chapter would initiate anyone who was forced on them -- out of principle if nothing else.

If they did, they didn't do a very good job. And I mean that in the nicest way!! That is, the pics of the women I've seen, are pretty, but they look real - not like the Britney clones that are MTV's ideal.

I highly doubt that MTV could get students to pledge if they didn't want to to begin with, and I don't think any org would be dumb enough to allow non-students in - that's the way to get your recognition revoked.