Ummmm, 2.9 blows, my chapter is full of people who don't go to class and stay out acting like degenerates till all hours of the morning and still manages to have a waay better GPA...and I am not at some shit directional school in the middle of some flyover state.

As far as following the party line of nationals, to each his own, but to say that we all joined a SOCIAL fraternity for the wrong reasons because we wanted to do SOCIAL things is retarded. In fact, in the original minutes of my fraternity's first few meetings, one of the founders was recorded requesting cigars and brandy to be purchased out of the budget...and thats the only thing we have documentation of him saying at a meeting...ever.

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Come on Kedzman, be a sport. It's not like getting outed is going to limit you to lower-tier, boring houses during rush. You apparently did that on your own.

Proves his embarrassment.

Yep, formal recruitment is in June for the boys. I guess the idea behind this is that new members will know which house (if any) they'll be in early on. That way they have time to cancel a contract with the dorms when they get a bid or find housing if recruitment didn't work out.

My understanding is that fraternities are a lot more open to informal rush than sororities. It's a hassle for a lot of people to travel to Lawrence for a few days during recruitment and then make a second trip out for orientation (which also lasts two or three days). I imagine it's tough for many of the houses to make quota with formal.

I love whoever hacked it, that site was a bunch of douchebags who try way too hard.

Don't bring that quota bs in this fraternity rush forum.

Oh, I get that. Seems like this would be a bummer for guys who are coming from out of state and don't know or are not able to make the events. But, like you said, the guys are better about informal rush, so I guess they can get picked up by houses in the fall.

ha ha, don't worry, it's not like you have to carry a man-purse now since you read the post.

Formal Rush makes me cringe just thinking about it.

Open Rush on the other hand, makes me want to drive to the nearest lake party.

Why not? I don't know a lot about fraternity rush. Bring me up to speed.

Oh ps, that's a pretty rude way to reply to a completely benign post.

Quota is a bunch of BS.

While I understand the reasoning behind it (not that I agree with it), it ends up doing the opposite of what it is intended to do. If you're trying to make all the houses relatively the same size, then put methods in place that do it. As it stands, at schools in which you're allowed to go over total to make quota, the big houses continue to get bigger, and the small houses remain forever small.

There are campuses - Nebraska for sure, I bet there are others - in which you can't go over total no matter what. Each house then has a different "quota", and the top houses are the ones that do the best job of keeping their members involved for all 4 years. They are rewarded with smaller classes which are more exclusive and filled with a much higher percentage of their most highly ranked girls. The houses that can't keep their members involved however still have the chance to start each year at total though, because they can take as many girls as they need to reach that point.

Basically, if you're going to intervene, make sure your intervention works. The way quota works at most schools, it's a completely flawed system.

All that said, I much prefer the fraternity method of not giving a rat's ass about keeping everyone the same size. There's no artificial manipulation of the chapter's rush efforts. Your house puts in the work (both during the school year and during rush) and gets the right guys in the forefront of rush as rush chairs, you'll be able to pick and choose the number and quality of rushees you want.

It's not the system that is flawed - it's the PNMs who refuse to consider anything other than the top 2/3/4 houses, and the people who talk shit about the smaller groups (often for no reason other than they are small) and make girls think "I guess I'd rather be nothing than be this." Oh, and it's also the national offices that award making quota after 4 days of rush, rather than awards for retaining members throughout their college career.

If quota/total wasn't made out to be such a big deal, it would work a hell of a lot better.

Fraternities have no quotas. We can take as many, or as little of pledge classes as we want. And I'm sorry if that came off rude, it meant for it to come off in a joking manner, since I assumed everyone here knew that were no quotas for fraternities.

Well I talked to a fraternity guy at KU who said his house had a quota. The way he described it, it sounded like the quota only applied to that specific house and the other houses had different quotas. So maybe you're kinda right.

It's not like sororities necessarily love quota either... I'd rather take a smaller group than bid a bunch of people who don't fit in for whatever reason and will likely drop anyway.