I only hear of sororities getting into trouble over the things you listed. Fraternities' headquarters are a lot more tolerant and their pledges seem to appear a lot less likely to report the things you listed.

Are you kidding me? What kind of pathetic excuse of a chapter did you come from? Our orgs are EXCLUSIVE not inclusive. That means not everybody can get in, and make it through. It takes the cream of the crop. All this amounts to earning it. If you didn't have to earn anything, why even have a pledging process? Why not initiate them after they sign a bid card?

People here say hazing will be the downfall of greek life. I disagree. The end of greek life will come when incoming freshmen don't want to rush because greek life got so dull and PC...that is where we are headed with this whole "you don't have to earn it", "new member associates", "balanced man" etc. attitude. Rushes want the full experience, atleast the good ones do. The ones that don't can join a school club, greek life is not for everybody.

Seriously... how old are you? We're talking about social organizations for college students that have exclusive membership. That's it. It's not like you just got into the CIA or entrance into an elite fellowship at Oxford.

You go through recruitment. You like what they have to offer, they like what you have to offer, and you get invited to membership. Then you attend social events, do some community service and make some good friends. That's all it is, pal. It's just a club with an exclusive membership clause. But if you think it's important enough that you should have to race around naked and grope one another or drink until you pass out to show you're worthy of going to socials, doing community service and making some friends... .then.... um, yeah. Do what you have to do. Because having to prove yourself by reciting your pledgebook in your boxers while being splashed with cold water is, like, really mature and, like, totally shows how dedicated you are. More power to you.

You're an idiot.

I don't know what kind of personal experiences you have had that led you to believe that those things are what what happens during pledgeship......but you are quite misinformed.

Alot of times, getting into a very exclusive/top tier fraternity can set you up for life, especially in the business world........so excuse us if we take it seriously and respect just how important recruitment is for some of our orgs. are.

I think you've seen The Skulls too many times. LOL.

I never said recruitment wasn't important. But you're placing way too much emphasis on having to "prove" your membership to a social organization. I don't think the country club hazes its provisional members, but maybe I should double check...

Fraternities and sororities are a great way to enjoy college and enjoy some good educational programming, parties and do some service, learn about philanthropy,team skills, deadlines and leadership. Post-college, you take some warm and fuzzy memories with you. Once you're in the office, no one cares. Sure, if you have a sorority sister or fraternity brother, they can put in a good word for you. But getting your foot in the door isn't a free pass. That's pretty much it.

The degree of seriousness is pretty funny. I hope you'll come back and read these posts in a few years when you're out working, paying down a mortage and living outside the college bubble.

I'd like to point out that you went to UCF.
You have absolutely no idea, getting into a good fraternity at our schools sets us up for life. It is serious and it is a damn country club. We play golf in the lawn if we're not out on the course and our parking lots are filled with Land Rovers and SUV's.

Mac' made up a very nice, informative list before.
B&T, can you do that?

And Brother Mac', you have have ID'ed the wrong poster for your comments.

Yes, I have identified the wrong poster for my comments........because she obviously has no idea what kind of oppurtunities you can get out of pledging a top tier Southern fraternity. But seeing as how she goes to UCF.......I guess I can see how she has been easily misinformed.

adpiucf.......its not our fraternity brothers that get us good connections....rather the Senators, House Reps, CEO's, Top 10 law firm partners, etc. etc. that we spend a good amount of time with. I can promise you it is a whole lot more than just putting in a good word. I really don't give a shit whether you think the degree of seriousness with which we take recruitment is funny or not......more than likely I will be more successful than you will ever dream of. In a few years when I look back on all of this....i'll sure as hell be thankful that I was given the chance to pledge the fraternity that I am in.

Back to topic please. Any more discussion on whether or not hazing is good will result in the end of this thread. In this thread, we discuss hazing and rush.

Thanks.

Really? I went to UCF? I didn't know that!

/Back to topic.

Hazing has no place in any group. Period.

Ok.......most pledges that you rushed really hard for a top house are going to know what they are getting into and what is expected of them. Most quality guys I know already know what house they were going to sign with out of high school. Obviously we will usually take a couple guys that we hadn't met before...so they might not know.

Explain please. Or are you one of those people that thinks hazing always involves dangerous and demeaning activities.

Mac -- true, the definition of "hazing" is different with almost every group. I'll bet there are things written into the official Sigma Nu pledge program which are forbidden by NPC hazing policies.

I got my congressional internship because of my fraternity, I got my two letters of recommendation for law school because of my fraternity...In turn, I've helped 2 fraternity brothers get internships in DC, I got another fraternity brother a legal assistant job...Its not the Skulls, its called networking. I bet they have that there...even at UCF...