There may be some truth to this but it goes much deeper than this. In my context, there are some real transmogrifications of "traditions" that go agsinst the spirit of fraternity and the things we hold dear, and moreover, made up stuff that is on offer now. This is a real issue where things that have been passed down for generations, not for a few years or for even of those of my generation, are being forgotten or pushed to the side. Like I said traditions are fluid; but what is alarming is that much of what I'm referring to is not positive and leading towards upholding real fraternal and human values. I'm speaking in my context where this is a hotly debated issue, where I do see the arrogance and lack of humility by those who, by virtue of their life and fraternal experience, aren't in a real position to "adjudicate" such matters.It's not so much about ego as about the future of the organization. One such E-mail was sent out recently by a former Grand officer who had a similar concerns.

OOPs so now You question a Member of a D 9.

That is intersting to say the least.

Maybe He is smarter than some on Site and not as Rad!

He has been there done it and is still doing It for His Fraternity!

So, you want to belittle Him?:(

That is so sad and shows a lot!:confused:

;) I hear ya but:

1) a lot of this comes from older members
and/or
2) older members are conveniently unavailable to teach but available to chastise
or
3) older members turn a blind eye when certain behaviors need to be corrected before they become ingrained in the culture and passed down further

I have seen members who have been in 20 to 40+ years who have encouraged and passed down some negative aspects of particular organizations or are condoning when younger members display them. These same people would appear to be respectable as they sit in alumnae and grad chapter meetings--they even pretend to have strong opinions against certain things that they condone behind closed doors. People know what they do but excuse it by saying "so and so is old school and that's how he/she got down back in the day." It's okay for these people to be this way but younger members catch the heat for (generally) doing what they were taught to do or following the culture that they observed as aspirants.

:)

You never said what topic his opinion was on--you just said he had a contrary opinion. Do you agree with every possible contrary opinion that any individual can possibly have?

Maybe he's smarter and maybe he isn't. A lot of us have been there and done that and are still doing it--that's what we're supposed to be doing so no kudos there.

I'm still wondering why you think we should care. It's not about belittling him but belittling you for thinking he's important to mention to us.

Can anyone translate the Earp speak here? What I am reading is that the NPHC folk are saying that they do not give out information on their dues and fees to the general public but do make that information available to potential members before they commit. And Earp is saying that makes them all crazy and their chapters can't function because they are not as rad as his friend?

You've got the gist of it. (It's a scary day when you begin to decipher Earp-speak!!);)

Cost has NOTHING to do with chapter size. In fact, since the overwhemling majority of collegiate chapters do NOT have property and a larger number of alumnae chapters DO have property, the cost structure is often opposite of that in NIC/IFC/NPC orgs.

There have been numerous other discussions on GC regarding NPHC chapter size. Some factors for collegiate chapters include campus type (HBCU vs PWI), georaphical region, chapter type (city-wide vs campus based) and chapter status (recently reactivated or not) and intake frequency/line caps. For alumnae chapters, factors include number of alumnae chapters in a geographic area, community type (military, established, new suburb), geographic region, population demographic and socioeconomic levels.

Of course, there are org specifics as well. ;)

OK, I'm relatively new in GC and ignorant of acronyms...

HBCU?
PWI?
D9s?

I thought I had it bad when my son started emailing with ROTFLMAO and all that, but I see a lot here.

Maybe we need an acronym sticky? =)

Sidenote: These acronyms are also used outside of message boards. :)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You can :rolleyes: :rolleyes: all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that NPCs DO NOT like to be refered to as WGLOs. I don't see what's so hard about typing NPC (or IFC if you're talking males) instead of WGLO.

White GLO
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WHITE GLO!!!!!!!

Being a Yankee from a public college, I can't imagine the necessity for the reference...

I know asking you to stop being rude is just too much to ask, so I'll refrain.