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Kimmie1913 06-15-2006 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Legally, a filmmaker doesn't need permission of the entity in question to make a movie portraying them.

Example in point.

The 1997 movie Titanic won 11 Oscars and amassed millions of dollars in box office receipts. IIRC, director James Cameron didn't ask the Cunard Shipping Lines (successor of the White Star Line) for permission to portray the ship and the disaster (although this was the 8th theatrical protrayal of the disaster--and in one of the movies Titanic's Fourth Officer Joseph Boxhall served as technical advisor in "A Night to Remember" in 1967--but I digress). Nonetheless, the movie was filmed, screened, and the rest is history.

Point is, I don't think these filmmakers are trying to capitalize off Delta any more than James Cameron was trying to capitalize off the White Star/Cunard Line. Granted, it would have been nice and would have served as a bonus if they did get Delta's NEB's blessing, but if not, so what? You cannot legally reserve the right (copyright/trademark/patent) to a historical event, which is essentially all this is and all this comes down to.

Just a thought.
They may not need permission per se but there are images that are in fact copyrighted/trademarked (just ask Converse) and I am curious as to whether or not any of those things were used in the movie. In addition, it is important to make clear that this "project" is in no way associated with or endorsed by Delta and that there has been no quality control whatsoever as to the accuracy of the facts in the story. If they had wanted to make a movie depicting what life was ike for Black women in the early 1900's they could have done that mentioning the formation of Alpha Kappa Alpha and Delta Sigma Theta with out making an unauthorized movie about either's history. None of this means they couldn't make the movie but, for me, it means that I am not interested in it and will make others aware of its pitfalls and Delta's position.

ladygreek 06-15-2006 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Point is, I don't think these filmmakers are trying to capitalize off Delta any more than James Cameron was trying to capitalize off the White Star/Cunard Line. Just a thought.
Are you kidding me? That is exactly what they are trying to do. Starting with the Founders painting, this is what they set out to do. Heck, the artist (and one of the producers) is an Alpha. Why didn't he make a movie of his own frat--it is their 100th anniversary? Could it be that he didn't get permission?

CrimsonTide4 06-15-2006 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek
Are you kidding me? That is exactly what they are trying to do. Starting with the Founders painting, this is what they set out to do. Heck, the artist (and one of the producers) is an Alpha. Why didn't he make a movie of his own frat--it is their 100th anniversary? Could it be that he didn't get permission?
Precisely.:cool:

Rain Man 06-15-2006 07:33 PM
Good questions
 
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Originally Posted by ladygreek
Are you kidding me? That is exactly what they are trying to do. Starting with the Founders painting, this is what they set out to do. Heck, the artist (and one of the producers) is an Alpha. Why didn't he make a movie of his own frat--it is their 100th anniversary? Could it be that he didn't get permission?
Good questions.

My answer would honestly be: I'on know. Ladies first, perhaps?

A follow up question I have is "Why Delta? (as opposed to the other 3 GLOs)" Another one would be "What would this company do with the profits from the movie? (assuming they amass such)"--the answer that probably will be to parlay those funds into another "Black Fraternity/Sorority Project" movie. But I'm just guessing.

Just a thought-provoking question: Would you have felt better if they used all the elements of Delta's founding but took a Dragnet-style approach to sorority identification (the names have been changed to protect the innocent).

I know of one movie (Fraternity Row) that took that approach with regards to an actual hazing death (a pledge died during initiation choking to death on a piece of liver--the fictional frat portrayed was called Gamma Nu Pi, the actual fraternity involved was the Kappa Sigma fraternity at USC back in 1959).

Is the central issue here the mere portrayal of such a movie, getting the org in question's blessing, or historical accuracy?

NoChaser3 06-15-2006 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Good questions.

My answer would honestly be: I'on know. Ladies first, perhaps?
Why Delta? Because we're the largest - we have the most members, and as such, the most potential for him to make money.

What would they do with the profits? SPEND THEM. PAY THEIR BILLS. Same thing my brother does with the profits from his veterinary clinics.

Would you have felt better if they used all the elements of Delta's founding but took a Dragnet-style approach to sorority identification (the names have been changed to protect the innocent). No. I still wouldn't like someone trying to profit off of my sorority and my sorors.

Is the central issue here the mere portrayal of such a movie, getting the org in question's blessing, or historical accuracy? They're all issues. The main one for me is someone trying to make money off of Delta. Historical accuracy is also an issue - we have someone - a non-member - making a documentary about our Founders when he doesn't really know what's up - he CAN'T know what's really up. He doesn't CARE about our Founders - his real motivation is to SELL COPIES OF HIS PRINT TO AS MANY DELTAS AS HE CAN, so that he can MAKE MONEY. That's not cool to me.

NoChaser3 06-15-2006 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
You cannot legally reserve the right (copyright/trademark/patent) to a historical event, which is essentially all this is and all this comes down to.

Just a thought.
However, we DO own the trademark to the words "Delta Sigma Theta" and the greek symbols.

What it comes down to is someone trying to make money off of Delta without our consent. Not cool.

Rain Man 06-15-2006 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek
Heck, the artist (and one of the producers) is an Alpha. Why didn't he make a movie of his own frat--it is their 100th anniversary? Could it be that he didn't get permission?
You know, I think the answer (at least part of it) can be found here. Believe it or not, I stumbed across this surfing GC tonight.

Rain Man 06-16-2006 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NoChaser3
Why Delta? He doesn't CARE about our Founders - his real motivation is to SELL COPIES OF HIS PRINT TO AS MANY DELTAS AS HE CAN, so that he can MAKE MONEY. That's not cool to me.
You know what, I actually believe you, only because if it wasn't the case, I think a lot more of the Black (and mainstream) communities would be in the know about this venture and that there would be word out trying to market the movie. There has been very little, if any, marketing of this movie to the general public, which causes me to wonder if the primary intended audience for this movie is the Delta membership, and the general public as an afterthought.

NoChaser, you post literally made me go Hmmmmm.

Anyway....we'll see what happens.

Kimmie1913 06-16-2006 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
You know, I think the answer (at least part of it) can be found here. Believe it or not, I stumbed across this surfing GC tonight.
The same things stated regarding Alpha 's name, symbols, etc. applies to Delta. If you go on to our website their are procedures for becoming a licensed vendor for that reason. Again, that is why I am curious as to whether they use our name symbols and other protected in the movie. For their sakes and ours, I hope not.

DSTCHAOS 06-19-2006 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jitterbug13
For the sorors: A copy of Dr. Rice's letter is in the Members Only section of the national website.
;)


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ladygreek 06-19-2006 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
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It is also on the home page. ;)

DSTCHAOS 06-19-2006 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek
It is also on the home page. ;)
Thanks, mama. I wonder when that was updated.

DSTCHAOS 06-19-2006 11:13 PM
This official response from President Rice should make any debate null and void. :D

BLACK SORORITY PROJECT, THE EXODUS
TO: Chapter Presidents
FROM: Louise A. Rice
National President
DATE: June 9, 2006
SUBJECT: “BLACK SORORITY PROJECT, THE EXODUS”


Many of you may have received invitations to, or have heard about, the first public viewing and screening of a painting and film entitled: "Black Sorority Project, The Exodus" (that supposedly is about the history of Delta). Please be advised that the Executive Board has taken action not to "in anyway, endorse, support, sponsor, approve of, or [become] involved in this project” or any project marketed under a slightly different name.

Therefore, I am asking Chapters, Regions and members not to take any action with respect to this project that would in anyway suggest that Delta endorses or otherwise supports this project, including forwarding the referenced information (link to the project), as requested by the project's marketing team.

If you have any questions, please direct them to the Executive Director or me at dstemail.bsp.org@deltasigmatheta.org.

We have also placed this information on our web page in the Members Only Section. Please also share this information with all your chapter members.

Thank you for your support.

jitterbug13 06-30-2006 06:37 PM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was thinking about this the last few days...

Since this movie has been released and (I assume) it will be on video/DVD, I wonder if those who are pursuing Delta will take the info they receive from the movie as gospel instead of doing their research and reading ISOS. I'm deeply concerned, especially if this movie has inaccurcies (sp). What do ya'll think of this?

DeltaVero 07-01-2006 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jitterbug13
Sorry to bring this up again but I was thinking about this the last few days...

Since this movie has been released and (I assume) it will be on video/DVD, I wonder if those who are pursuing Delta will take the info they receive from the movie as gospel instead of doing their research and reading ISOS. I'm deeply concerned, especially if this movie has inaccurcies (sp). What do ya'll think of this?
Soror you know they will. Then they'll be salty, with the sorority, when they don't make it. I'm very upset that not only are non-Deltas supporting this venture but so are many sorors and other NPHC members. Also, from what I've been hearing, not only does the movie have inaccuracies but the portrait does, as well. :mad:


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