The year my daughter rushed at LSU, word was Phi Mu had more legacies than quota. I know they cut a handfull of legacies from our town. There are stories evey year of girls who are legacies and get cut even with close ties to the chapter AND alum positions.

I feel certain that most chapters would try to accomidate a legacy, but with huge rush numbers and years of growth (and births) under their belt, it is impossible in some cases. Plus, not every legacy is going to measure up to the standards, be it in terms of grades or morals.

I know of a situation at UGA in which a great-great granddaughter of an original founder--not of the local chapter, of the national organization--got cut. That is reaaallly low.:(

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...despite the huge numbers and odds of getting a bid at UGA, I am excited! The daughter of a pledge sister of mine from Southern Cal is going thru rush this Fall; she is a double Gamma Phi legacy as well as a Kappa legacy -- I really hope she becomes a Gamma Phi because she is adorable and talented and smart!:D

On the other hand, I feel really really really old to know that a pledge sister's daughter is going to college:eek:

That happened at my school, too. She didn't list it on her sign-up sheet for recruitment, though, so it's partially her fault, but you would think that the chapter would find out about things like that.

Exactly! Also not automatically taking legs gives the girls a chance to make a decision without the pressure of knowing she got in just because she was a leg or an opportunity to join a house she would rather join than her legacy chapter.

I do think a chapter should be shot (literally) for not accepting a Chapter's FOUNDER's great great grand daughter. (assuming grades and she isnt a criminal. of course) I would think the national organization would have had her red flagged.

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Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I am a little bit peeved. SDT is NOT a "Jewish sorority." I know it may be primarily Jewish at UGA, but my chapter has girls of many different religious beliefs. I'm Catholic, the girl who preffed me is Southern Baptist. We were founded on the principle of religious freedom. I'm sorry you didn't have a good time at the house, but I think it's a little rude to say that you didn't have any interest SDT because it's Jewish.

Sorry if this came out a little bitchy, but it's something I feel strongly about. On a brighter note, my grandmother was a DG, too. :D

They do, for the most part though, the courtesy invite to second round for legacies. In some cases, I think that is only prolonging the inevitable and giving the young ladies a sense of false hope for an invite to the third round.

Before the numbers spike at LSU, having a rec more or less assured you of an invite to second round. It was a courtesy to the alum who wrote it, acknowledging the idea that her letter meant the young woman deserved a second look. BUT, two years ago, this was not true and so many were released after the first round.

On one hand, I agree with you, but there are so many parties-
10-7-5-3. Mine was lucky, she had a full schedule except on Pref, she went to two. (Can't remember for sure...maybe 4 out of the 5) Most of her friends were down to 4 on the day when they could have gone to 7, or 1-2 when they could have gone to 5. They lost all hope and their confidence was shattered. Do you know how HARD it would be to sit in your room when for two days of a party round you only had one or two houses to visit? And to think you friend/s are going to several parties? Breaks my heart...
Who knows, maybe if they HAD been invited to more, they would have stuck it out. I guess that percentage formula for release figures plays a big role. I just find it hard to understand why the cuts have to be so hard for he first round.

I agree with justamom on this. We've both seen years of rushees crushed by their returns but this new policy of cutting early and heavily is just too harsh. Being cut is rough but being cut by a huge number of sororities early on is absolutely demoralizing. Many PNMs drop out of rush not because they hate the choices they have left but because early and heavy cutting is such a blow..especially if you have high grades, great activities, and a good rep.

One of my daughters dropped out of recruitment because of this and I was told that 70% of her rush group did too.

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You're not being "bitchy". You are absolutely right! SDT can be proud to have such a mature and insightful member. :)

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I didn't mean it to sound that way. But SDT at UGA is Jewish. The girls new all along they weren't going to invite me back..its like they just strung me a long through the third round for the sake of it. One girl acted like it was killing her to talk to me, because she knew I wouldn't be joining. Its not that I didn't like it BECAUSE it was Jewish- I met some nice girls there. ITs just the fact that I knew I wouldn't be joining, i just didn't care about going to their parties. But sorry, I didn't mean to offend any one.

My above post is unclear, I saw i was invited back to one "I had no interest in, SDT". While I had no interest in SDT, there was also another sorority that invited me back that I was not interested in. Just wanted to clear that up.

At larger schools, the "traditionally Jewish" sororities often are composed of almost all Jewish women. At smaller schools, they usually have a mix and no one even thinks about the Jewish aspect.

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I thought that SDT was founded as a Jewish sorority. That doesn't mean that the members are only Jewish. There is nothing wrong with being a Jewish sorority just as there is nothing wrong with being Christian, Protestant, Catholic or non-sectarian sororities. In the past many sororities would not admit women who were Jewish. SDT, AEPhi, DPhiE, and PhiSig were established in the early 1900s to combat this discrimination. My understanding is that SDT and AEPhi were founded as Jewish sororities, and PhiSig and DPhiE were founded as non-sectarian. The chapters of these sororities at many campuses have members of many religions. Some chapters are not as diverse. :)

The brothers of Pi Lambda Phi here tell me that their organization was founded as non-sectarian. Here, that is what they are. However, one of my friends at another school says that they are 100% Jewish there. Same with AEPi... when they were here they were non-sectarian, but at another school I visited, only one guy in their house wasn't Jewish.

So it can happen that groups are non-sectarian in one place and sectarian in another.

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No problem! I understand...I'm sorry you had a negative experience. SDT IS traditionally Jewish, but I was told that we now have no religious affiliation. We were founded at a time when there was some religious bias, and our founders were very proud of their religion. Anyway, there is definitely nothing wrong with being Jewish/Protestant/Catholic/Buddhist, but I just don't want anyone to get the impression that ONLY Jewish girls can and do join SDT. :)

Oh that's a blow. Wow. I suppose you could say all the other stuff that you do with normal legacies, but I'm sure that founder turned over in her grave!