My last post
 

I didn't know Jews for Jesus is a Christian group. My whole point was that people can believe Jesus existed, and respect his message of love, without believing he was the son of God. Therefore, a non-Christian wishing to join a GLO's based on Christian principles would probably still feel comfortable in their initiation if the initiation contained that kind of a Christian message. I was trying to help the PNM feel more comfortable about that. That's all :)

That being said, there are sororities that have had non-Christian founders, or were non-sectarian from the beginnings. But unless a sorority defines itself as a "Christian Sorority" and that usually very easy to find out, then I wouldn't worry too much about initiation conflicting with your beliefs. Good Luck!

Question, for anyone...I am sure that many initiations require the new member to kneel before taking vows. If you are not permitted to dicuss this, them please do not divulge private info. But my friend who is Jewish told me that to kneel before another is against her beliefs. So her sorority let her kind of "squat' instead. I didn't get a chance to ask her more about it-the kneeling part-not the ritual! Anyone know what this is about? Just curious.

edited for spelling & my power went out in the middle of typing this!

RE: Jews for Jesus
 

For some information and a chance to make an informed decision about this group here are some links.
http://www.jewsforjesus.org
http://www.jfjonline.org/about/statementoffaith.htm
http://www.jfjonline.org/about/history.htm

For instance I read that they were founded by a Jewish man, the majority of staff is Jewish and they use Jewish evangelism, not Christian evangelism which one may assume.

Re: RE: Jews for Jesus
 

So if a Jew for Jesus tells you something, he's right?

http://www.exjewsforjesus.org is one link off the top of my head to help discredit them.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22je...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 That should help with the reading to make informed decisions.

And please for my own sake please tell me what Jewish evangelism is and what Christian evangelism is.

Then we can start on what makes a Jew because in most people's eyes, once you believe what JFJ believes you are not Jewish but Christian.

-Rudey

Re: RE: Jews for Jesus
 

I have never heard of "jewish evangelism" Jews do NOT try to convert others. It doesn't exist. Conversion to Judaism is an extremely lengthy process to ensure only those who truly believe will convert.

And like other people have said, once you believe that Jesus is the messiah, you no longer are recognized as a Jew, but rather a Christian. Jews for Jesus are ethnicially Jewish, but have essentially renounced their Judaism.

it is absolutely a 100% Christian denomination. The whole point is to try to convert Jews into Christians.

-Rissa

Re: Re: RE: Jews for Jesus
 

We used to convert to Judaism but the practice stopped as a form of protection. I believe a few reform groups are more open to it these days, but on the whole we don't believe in it.

-Rudey

Re: Re: Re: RE: Jews for Jesus
 

I do know that the reform groups are more open to it. I'm reform, but like I said, we dont actively recruit- we wait for people who are interested in conversion to come to us. My Rabbi's wife converted before they got married.

Re: My last post
 

Interesting. I never ran into that situation in all my initiations and installations.

But if I did, I'd probably get really mad and yell

http://www.i-mockery.com/GeneralZod/sticker-large.gif

wptw

There's another word for Jews for Jesus. They're called Christians.

All Major Religions Acknowledge the Existence of Christ...

That Is All:)

What she said. Also, not only do most Jews believe that Jesus existed, but most believe that he lived an admirable life. We just don't believe that he was the Mesiah.

Also, Jews for Jesus is an organization that I find insulting. Once you believe that group's tenets, you are no longer Jewish. Please don't redefine my religion to meet your agenda.

And I also mostly agree what was said about Jewish evangilism. For the most part, we don't try and convert others in these times. There are a few exceptions; some Hasidic Jews, particularly the Lubavich, seek to convert Jews to their sect of Judaism.

Also, there is now a very small evangelical movement in the South that is recruiting Christians, who have a literal belief in the Old Testament. There was an article in the New York Times that cited this congregation: http://kolemeth.net/

I want to point out that the Hasidim only try to recruit Jews. They would not attempt to convince non-Jews to convert. So it's not really an exception.

Judaism does not proselytize, and in fact, if you approach a rabbi about conversion (into any movement), s/he is supposed to turn you away three times to test your convictions.

It depends on your org. Chi Omega's open motto is "hellenic culture and christian ideals". I'd talk to your new member educator or vice president or what have you and voice your concerns. No one is going to make you do something that is uncomfortable!!

I'm very impressed this thread hasn't been locked and deleted after all the other threads of today!

Kudos to everyone for not feeling offended over a debate on religion!

The issue with Hasidism is sort of grey, because they don't exactly consider reform Jews to be real Jews.

That synagogue, in Marrieta, was actively recruiting as of the 2002 article in the New York Times.

That post offended me, and this thread should be locked and/or deleted.















J/K :p