PK,

The basic issue that I have with BGLOs is the incredibly idolatrous relationships that these individuals have with their orgs. Where perps get beat up rather than talked to, where people get beat up just for TOUCHING 'nalia, where non-members can't say the word "frat" or "soror" as if it's a cuss word, where if someone openly disagrees with what a BGLO or an aspect thereof is all about, they get backlash to the Nth degree. I just see a double identity; they don't want to be known as gangs, yet they perpetuate the very behavior they are trying to remove. I mean, there was a thread in the Delta forum on what would you do if a homeless person wore your nalia? I am sorry, but that is idol worship, plain and simple.

As far as OA's post, frankly I am still not sure if it is "hypothetical" or not, as he said, "if any of my bruhs in Ohio read this, they'll give you the beatdown that YOU deserve", or words to that effect. I took it as a threat, because that was what it appeared to be.

As far as your last paragraph comments, each org should have a set of policies and procedures for dealing with perps. But I am sure that it does not involve physical violence. Again, as I said in a previous post, if you deal with a perp(s), you do it LEGALLY and PROPERLY. OA and his bruhs may not care about jail, but if the perp takes it to the TV/print media, the letters A-PHI-A could become M-U-D when the media is done with their story(ies), but hey, if OA (or any other Greeks) don't care about how their org is seen through the media, IMHO it's a lost cause from the getgo.

Just my input
RM

First of all, why speak on something you haven't experienced and know nothing about. if you are not a member you truly don't know what really takes place in anyone's organization, be it black or white. You are generalizing all BGLO's. I think we all have different opinions on how to handle a perp. We are individuals, of which I think some have a hard time seeing, because we do provide a united front.
Nor is the love for our organizations idol worship. Again something you have no idea what you are talking about. :rolleyes: You seem to have some misplaced anger about BGLO's.

Pardon me for getting into this discussion!

WHAT IS ALL OF THIS CRAP?

We are all Greeks of firm beleifs in our Fraterniys/Soroitys and the ideals of each!

Ganging on is called violence and is punishable by law. That means assault and maybe battery, which could mean fines,jail time and getting kicked off campus.

If that is all you care about your organization, then why be in it!
I have Freinds neither Black,Red,White or yellow has a thing to do with it, they are my Freinds.
yes there are a lot of Morons out there, but show your self as bigger than they are, simple as that!

Reply to Reds
 

For the record, Reds, I know a LOT MORE than you could POSSIBLY IMAGINE about BGLOs. The fact that I have not actively witnessed a BGLO ritual (which is all this boils down to) does not change that. I have experienced a lot over the past 9 years of dealing with BGLOs, including some pledging. Yes, I am generalizing BGLOs, TO THE EXTENT that they all have some common denominator(s). As far as the idol worship argument, I can PROVE that part. But yes, I DEFINATELY know what I am talking about, as I have researched and studied thoroughly the subject.

Please email me if you wish to discuss this any further.
RM

Actually, PK, your initial statement is a bit of a misnomer; I do not have misguided anger towards BGLOs, but rather, I have legitimate concerns toward BGLOs in that I no longer will passively and silently accept the status quo, and that I am entitled to state my case(s) on such, and I am (not surprisingly) getting a bum rap as a result.

As far as the " bad apple" quote, it is not "popular belief", it is Biblically derived, and it is true, a bad apple does spoil the whole bunch, or scripturally, "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" (I Cor. 5:11). I didn't say it, the Bible said it, so please take that for what it's worth.

As far as what OA said, we have to agree to disagree on that one.

Any other comments, please email me.

Rain Man

You didn't read my response accurately. Had you done so, you wouldn't/couldn't have taken it personally. I did not threaten you; and I think you've taken this shyt a bit too far. I have nothing against you; and I'd like to keep it that way. My points were meant for ANYBODY tryin' to perp My frat. If you are not, then my statements were not meant for you.

I heard you were talkin' all of this bytch shyt about me out here; and it surprised me. From most of your other posts, I thought you were aight. That's why it's hard for me to believe you're out here flexin'. If you are all that you say you are, you should've known betta than to call Alpha Phi Alpha a gang. I can understand challengin' someone's opinion, but you should know betta than to classify an organization.

I want to deal with this like men should. I hope you share the same logic. If you do, I expect you to clean up the mess you've started on Greekchat.

OA, all I have to say is this:

I am entitled to my opinions and to state them just as much as you are entitled to your opinions and the right to state them. We don't have to like each other's opinions, but we should respect each other's rights to say them. As far as classifying Alpha Phi Alpha (or any GLO for that matter) a gang, I have not done that; most brothers and sisters do that on their own with their attitudes and actions; I am only bringing it to light.

So I apologize if I misinterpreted your post, but I do not apologize for my opinions and beliefs.

Have a good day.
RM

Why spend so much energy about people faking their affiliation - be more concerned about people who turn their backs on a lifelong oath they took - the people who claim to have "worked hard" for letters are the ones that cherish the letters a little bit too much and ignore the meaning behind the letters - as far as I am concerned, they are FAKE to the core!! Moreover, there are some people who claim to want to "protect their letters" from perps, but will buy anything under the sun with the letters on them - do I really need Delta house slippers, thongs, sneakers??? I think not!

You also can't forget people who "think" they are official and really aren't because they went through an illegitimate process. I've seen it happen on more than one ocassion that a family member calls the chapter when someone dies and we are obligated to do the ceremony for anyone whether they are in our chapter or not, but when we check with headquarters we find out they are not really Deltas! I was on the phone with a young woman for over an hour because she couldn't understand that her mother wasn't really a Delta, she had spent her whole life (over 30 years) believing her mother was a Delta, believing she was a legacy, the whole nine and her mother was never official - scrapbook, a year-long process, sweater, t-shirt and all kinds of stuff, and basically a perpetual pyramid, if even that!

Good point(s) Crucial Crimson
 

Awesome post, Crucial Crimson!! Great points made! I couldn't have said it better myself!!

Gimme a post sometime, let's do lunch! ;)

RM

That is a very good point Crucialcrimson. I actually know of a girl who got upset with one of her sisters and just left the sorority completely. She got pissed at one girl and turned her back on them all. now as for people who claim theyre in something theyre not. Well thats just pathetic. Whats the point in saying youre in an organization when you cant be a part of it all??


Nichole

Bone them, gut them and throw the imposters on the fish head pile!

One must feel sorry for these people as maybe they would like to join but do not feel that they can!

Question, whose fault is that?

I saw the little "fight" going on about the BGLOs and I have to put my two cents in. I did not have any real exposure to the BGLOs while I was an undergrad. But since then I have and I have seen only positive things. My husband is a PGA pro and works out of a local course. There was an Alpha Phi Alpha league that played weekly, and I happened to play on the same afternoon many times. These gentlemen were nothing but respectful, funny, kind guys who obviously had a great love for each other and their fraternity. I always enjoyed playing behind them because they always said or did something that made my day.
Secondly, I used to work for a major insurance company with about a 50% black 50% white population. I knew a number of ladies who were alums of BLGOs and they were always very dedicated to their sisterhoods. These women had very strong ideals and were both great friends and great workers; I maintain friendships with several of these ladies today even though I have not worked for this company for almost 2 years. If these people are examples of "gangs," then I think these "gangs" are doing something right. None of these people were vigilantes out to beat and maim other people for talking the wrong way or wearing the wrong letters. I would be extremely offended to see someone bearing my crest and my letters, pretending to be a sister of Chi Omega when they are not. Would I beat the slop out of them? No. Would they get the worst tongue-lashing of their entire life? Would they be so humiliated that they would never think of doing it again? You know it. I would not imagine anyone who loved their chapter as they should to do any less.