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Originally Posted by SOM (Post 2271141)

...Cohen compared the treatment of new members as “second-class citizens” to the abuse of blacks under apartheid.

In that case, that is a horribly inaccurate comparison. New members chose to be new members even if they did not choose to be hazed.

/lane swerve

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2271144)

In that case, that is a horribly inaccurate comparison. New members chose to be new members even if they did not choose to be hazed.

/lane swerve

Yes. May as well go for the Godwin.

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2271149)

Yes. May as well go for the Godwin.

Really. He needs to tone it down on these comparisons—aside from the inappropriateness of them, he might just find some people comparing him to particular leaders who bypassed or suspended democratic processes because, well, the ends justify the means.

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Originally Posted by SOM (Post 2271141)

And Sigma Alpha Epsilon does not seem to be on its own-besides what is writen within those two articles, there are these two: Fraternity Leadership Group Calls for an End to Hazing-With college frats facing ongoing criticism over alcohol abuse, sexual assaults, and even the hazing deaths of pledges, the North-American Interfraternity Conference is creating independent panels to address these issues and generate solutions....
The days of serious fraternity hazing—a college Greek life tradition that in some cases has led to tragedy in recent years—could be numbered.

That’s because a fraternity association is taking steps to rein in the practice, and perhaps end it for good.
The North-American Interfraternity Conference (NIC), which represents 75 fraternities worldwide, has announced an effort to research ways to stop harmful activities often associated with the campus groups, including alcohol abuse, sexual assault, and hazing. http://associationsnow.com/2014/04/fraternity-leadership-group-calls-end-hazing/

Huh? National fraternities and fraternity groups have been trying to end hazing for years. The first sentence—that SAE doesn't seem to be on its own—isn't supported by what comes after. Ending hazing is not the same as abolishing pledging, and abolishing pledging is not the same as ending hazing.

I understood his use of "cancer" but now that I read his use of "apartheid," he is being dramatic.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2271187)

I understood his use of "cancer" but now that I read his use of "apartheid," he is being dramatic.

Agreed. This was to a large extent a PR stunt to try to improve the national organization's relationship with its insurance carrier and with its host universities. Overly dramatic "journalism" (:rolleyes:) begat overly dramatic justifications by the ESA.

From what I've heard, he knew full well that the correct approach was to either wait until the next biennial convention, or to submit the matter to a direct vote by mail of the convention's membership, in either case the majority of votes belonging to the undergraduates. He also suspected (perhaps rightly so) that were such a vote to be conducted on his proposal, it would get shot down by a landslide vote in opposition. So, the only way he could get his proposal enacted as policy was to simply declare it to be so by executive order, sidestepping the inconvenience of the usual and democratic legislative process.

Now that this new policy has been handed down from on high, he needs to conduct a marketing campaign in the hope of garnering enough public support -- or at least among university administrators and news media -- as to make it as difficult as possible for the next biennial convention to rescind the new program.

He needs Olivia Pope.