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No one has even suggested that they didn't make quota because the girls they asked to preference ranked the other house first...and I have heard that groups at USC have not played by the rules in the past and were asked to publicly say they were sorry or bring in a speaker or pay some fines and there were no restrictions placed on them regarding recruitment or numbers, etc.

A friend sent me a note as she has a DG relative in the SC chapter. According to my friend Delta Gamma took 20 legacies and have 78 new members.

These numbers have not been confirmed by any DG official. Other chapters still have not reported, so that number may be in line with the rest of the chapters and quota may well be 78.

Question for the quota debate. Can a CPC prevent a chapter from taking QAs as part of a punishment due to some infraction? They'd still be allowed to bid to quota, just not any bonus members.

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175437)

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say, the troll in me just can't.

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment.

I merely thought that the curious minds on GreekChat would want to know what I know (or apparently, think I know). I apologize, and will keep such information/misinformation to myself in the future.

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Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175481)

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

From my experience advising, I don't think RCs know anything really that is going on with recruitment numbers; I don't think anyone on the Panhel board does either, other than those officers on the recruitment team. Were any of your sources these specific officers? The ones who see chapter invite lists, PNM's rankings, etc.? Even in those cases, I often notice those women misunderstand some elements of formal recruitment or at the very least misuse terminology. It takes many years and go rounds with recruitment to get the hang of everything!

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Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175481)

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say

AN; FTFO

Bid Night from a different perspective

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...67840933_n.jpg

ps: I saw this on my instagram feed; apparently there are some puerile boys are calling this tradition this year 'The Running of the Biddies'; at least according to its caption

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Originally Posted by kaeb (Post 2175481)

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl (Post 2175479)

Question for the quota debate. Can a CPC prevent a chapter from taking QAs as part of a punishment due to some infraction? They'd still be allowed to bid to quota, just not any bonus members.

NO, ma'am. Read the UA I quoted in a previous post. the CPC can not limit membership in any way other than setting quota and total. And they apply to all groups no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175496)

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

Seriously? She is Greek, and not a sockpuppet, just because someone dares to contradict you or doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you doesn't mean they are trolls. JMHO

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175496)

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

Whoa, kaeb has been a poster here for a long time, and has contributed much to our discussions of USC in the last two years. She is a member of an NPC group that limits its participation in FR.

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175496)

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

^That was truly unnecessary. I'm not even involved in this thread.

I have one, and only one, username on this message board. Surely you can report any sock puppet concerns to the moderator or admin for clarification prior to launching baseless accusations.

ETA: And there is no need to send any further nastygrams to my PM box, as I will not respond (as you already know).

It looks like we're getting some more numbers:
Alpha Chi Omega:
Alpha Delta Pi:
Alpha Phi:86
Delta Delta Delta: 90
Delta Gamma: 78
Gamma Phi Beta: 88
Kappa Alpha Theta: 82
Kappa Kappa Gamma:
Pi Beta Phi: 87
Sigma Delta Tau: (participating in informal)

Do we know what quota was? So far it looks like all houses did quite well and so many girls found a place to call home!

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175377)

Just so everyone can see that this is a Unanimous Agreement, from the MOI:

JURISDICTION OF PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATIONS
Panhellenic associations are based on democratic principles and organized to afford cooperation among the women’s fraternities. Panhellenic members shall respect and obey the letter and spirit of all National Panhellenic Conference unanimous agreements. Panhellenic associations’ constitutions and bylaws shall conform to all unanimous agreements.
1. College Panhellenic Associations
A. The administrative body of a College Panhellenic Association is a College Panhellenic Council.
B. A College Panhellenic Council shall be comprised of delegates selected by individual chapters from the NPC fraternities.
C. A College Panhellenic Council shall take no action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are not limited to the following:
i. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average.
ii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a chapter’s participation in membership recruitment.
iii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a woman’s participation in the membership recruitment process.
iv. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a qualification for pledging or initiation.
v. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a minimum number of members.
vi. Surveying to collect data that reflects a chapter's internal information or requiring documents that are considered confidential material regarding the chapter's internal operations.
vii. Lowering a chapter’s quota as a penalty.
viii. Requiring a chapter’s Panhellenic delegate to be a specific chapter officer.
ix. Enacting a College Panhellenic governing document provision or sanction that infringes on the sovereignty, rights or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities.
x. Voting to contradict an NPC Unanimous Agreement.

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl (Post 2175479)

Question for the quota debate. Can a CPC prevent a chapter from taking QAs as part of a punishment due to some infraction? They'd still be allowed to bid to quota, just not any bonus members.

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2175497)

NO, ma'am. Read the UA I quoted in a previous post. the CPC can not limit membership in any way other than setting quota and total. And they apply to all groups no matter what.

Your quote from above does not reference QAs. QAs are in addition to quota, not part of quota. Restricting QAs would not violate that section of the green book; which is why I wonder if restricting QA is permitted for punsihing an infraction.

Anyone else have any idea?

There times in my life I've let things go...and other incidents that I dive into the mix. Titchou: Kaeb is a longtime poster. She goes to USC. You do not. Every school has a different Greek culture and yes...there are times that what is done on one campus isn't done in the NPC area or school where you live.

So...with far more tact and elegance than what you wrote: People make mistakes (or not) and you don't know us. If you can't say something constructive and/or civil because you don't like that it interferes with your concept of Panhellenic, or your little corner of the earth...stop. Think. And don't be a b*****

....now I will have my morning coffee.