But I fail to see how anything of this has to do with whether or not there would be second class citizens later on. That's my problem.

You asserted this:
How does anything in there have to do with that?

Well hey...I am getting tired of repeating myself.

I'm still waiting for EW to make a feasible and provable point.

All of you are running in circles and whether or not you have actually PROVEN anything is a matter of opinion. I think you all are tautological. "The proof is in the pudding."

Wait...you mean to tell you that you think that if the Confederacy had freed the slaves in some near future when it was no longer 'profitable', that blacks would have been treated as equal citizens??

(Even in our history as it stands now, you do realize that it took almost a hundred years for Blacks to get civil rights laws passed in this country, right?)


HAHAHAHHAHA....good luck proving that one.

DrPhil are you dizzy yet?

I'm not saying that would have been the case, necessarily. I am saying that the statement you provided doesn't prove it.

As I said, the quote you provided doesn't prove anything.

That's the problem with it.

That's why I left the conversation after my last post. It started becoming a, "Well this would have happened"

"Or this would have happened."

"Or this would have happened."

Dude, you have over 400 years of proof that no way in hell were whites north or south were just going to up and give slaves in America equal citizen status. When a mindset of a population over 200 years ago equated a subset of humans and lesser than monkeys and barbaric there is no way that population will right off the bat say, "Oh sure, go own lots of land", "Oh sure, come to my schools and sit in my church.","Oh and yes, you can run for public office...even be president in the 1880's" especially when they spent the first 200 years systematically wiping their culture out.


The statement posted above isn't the only argument. The sentiment of America as a whole in the 1800s from various writings and attitudes show that whites were not willing to give up nor share their power with those they kept subservient to them.

Agreed. I haven't argued any less than such.

Absolutely. That's what government intervention'll do to ya. (I still haven't figured out the attitudes of those who were oppressed by the government, yet want the very same government to fix many of the problems...but that's a debate for another time and place)

I have a BA in History, with a definite emphasis in war/military, and a secondary study area of Native Americans and Alaska Natives, as well as First Nations people. What I know of Indigenous people of Mexico and further south is less, other than people who live on La Frontera. Somehow I also have this random emphasis in film, which everyone thinks is a joke but actually was quite challenging.