My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony. Their nationals looked at the area and found that there were enough chapters close by, a good number of alumni in the area, and a good number of students interested. Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms. Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities. Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

So the colony members went completely around the school to form this colony.

NIC=/=IFC.
So they want a completely unrecognized orginzation to have access to the campus facilities.

Yo, it's not all about size, or it shouldn't be. That comment alone makes me think KS is doing this for the wrong reason.

*Kappa Sigma national didn't have to take on the group of guys. They should have looked at what the rules were for FGCU.

*"They don't want to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be." You are right. But, then why ask other fraternities to help them? And, according to the news report, none of the campus fraternities voted for their recognition. So, I guess it wasn't just Sigma Chi.

I'm editing my original post due to a sarcastic comment I made and what could be perceived as an attack on a 3rd fraternity.

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

THANK YOU. I didn't want to reply because I wouldn't have put it so nice.

Then make yourself a RSO, restricted to the same principles as Kappa Sigma.

FTW.

What do you consider "failed" sorority colonizations? At FGCU or where? At many schools, it has nothing to do with the way the sororities expand - it has to do with the rushees being narrow minded and only wanting certain groups. The way of choosing a group in expansion is NOT something thought up by the school, it is completely through NPC. FGCU's attempt to limit the number of campus orgs is not the same thing as NPC expansion.

This is completely untrue, and you must have the brain capacity of a toad if you don't get the basic concepts of NPC recruitment and colonization and how they work (and how they thrive). It's not that hard. PNMs with no greek family members and no frame of reference understand it better than you do.

just for the record, there have only ever been three npc sororities at fgcu and they are all doing very well.

now if fgcu would just allow some greek housing......

This argument is going no where. I'm gonna walk away before it gets really heated. I don't wanna see things get out of control. We all have our opinions on the issue. I'm gonna end it at this. Its not a matter of if Kappa Sigma will be recognized by FGCU. Its a matter of when. The university will eventually recognize them. Like you mentioned Lanesig, they did a similar off campus colonization and chapter at Arkansas-Fort Smith. They were eventaully recognized by the school.

See you in 5 years :)

I gurantee its gonna happen a lot sooner than that. Just wait and see. I won't go into details. :)

Oh, this is nothing compared to what can happen around here -- this isn't even lukewarm yet.

Yesterday, you won at life.

Working on it! Friends in facilities planning tell me its in the works :)

that is good news!! you all deserve it.

Well said Brother!

I'm not interested in debating or discussing the whole situation, but as an aside, do you think what you've posted on GC is something Kappa Sigma and FGCU administration would look favorably upon? If I was associated with a group who had some crappy people who already made things difficult, and I was fighting a system I found unfair, I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself.

Plus I know big squirrels would come out of all kinds of trees.