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Miriverite 01-25-2010 01:06 AM

I know this thread is old a hell, but (from the Gamma Sigma Sigma site):

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The College Pan-Hellenic is composed of members of all the eligible sororities and fraternities on its campus. The delegates from chapters of these sororities and fraternities form the College Pan-Hellenic Council, which is responsible for local Pan-Hellenic operation in accordance with National policies and procedures.
Gamma Sigma Sigma’s prohibits affiliation with the National Pan-Hellenic Conference. Pan-Hellenic membership involves the question of adherence to the basic principles on which Gamma Sigma Sigma has been founded. Although some chapters may be non-voting members of their local Pan-Hellenic Council in order to meet student organization requirements for sororities, no GSS chapter may become a regular member of the local Pan-Hellenic Council.
First off, are they referring to both the NPC -and- the NPHC? The way they have it written implies NPHC, but from context I think they're referring to any national Panhellenic group, whether NPC or NPHC. In addition - correct me if I'm wrong - the second paragraph implies that a member of GSS can also be part of their local Panhel (i.e. part of a Panhellenic sorority), but the GSS chapter is prohibited from joining the college's Panhellenic Council as an active, voting body...?

FSUZeta 01-25-2010 08:57 AM

when panhellenic is spelled this way, pan-hellenic, it is referring to nphc.

Senusret I 01-25-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Miriverite (Post 1888965)
I know this thread is old a hell, but (from the Gamma Sigma Sigma site):



First off, are they referring to both the NPC -and- the NPHC? The way they have it written implies NPHC, but from context I think they're referring to any national Panhellenic group, whether NPC or NPHC. In addition - correct me if I'm wrong - the second paragraph implies that a member of GSS can also be part of their local Panhel (i.e. part of a Panhellenic sorority), but the GSS chapter is prohibited from joining the college's Panhellenic Council as an active, voting body...?

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1889010)
when panhellenic is spelled this way, pan-hellenic, it is referring to nphc.

Miriverite, you are correct.

It's not a huge stretch to assume they made a mistake by including the hyphen, since the rest of the context suggests NPC and CPC.

(Although it would definitely also apply to NPHC or any other council of social organizations)

Northern Belle 02-28-2010 08:29 PM

I would like to know everyone thoughts on dual membership between a Multicultural GLO and a NPHC-GLO. Your feedback would greatly be appreciative.

knight_shadow 02-28-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Belle (Post 1902504)
I would like to know everyone thoughts on dual membership between a Multicultural GLO and a NPHC-GLO. Your feedback would greatly be appreciative.

Not allowed.

TitaniumGene 03-13-2010 12:57 AM

Read the bylaws of the governing council. They usually state the rules on membership.

Little Dragon 04-03-2010 02:37 PM

NPHC and GPhiD?
 
This is a long thread and the search is not coming up with anything specific. I apologize if this was already answered.

1. Just for curiosity (I´m a man from a LGLO), I was reading about BGLO´s and found that dual membership is allowed for Iota Phi Lambda Sorority (professional) and NPHC sororities. Is it the same for Gamma Phi Delta sorority and NPHC sororities? I´ve heard both that GPhiD is business and that it is social.

2. Also, is dual membership allowed between two PFA fraternitiess?

Thanks.

Senusret I 04-03-2010 06:21 PM

1) I believe the policy for GPhiD would be the same as any other business sorority. (Unless GPhiD has become social)

2) Not sure.

shepoodle_1922 04-03-2010 09:14 PM

2 of my LS's are Iota Sweethearts

Fatal1913 04-06-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1439942)
Two NPHCs - not allowed
Non-NPC and NPHC - may be allowed, check with the organization.


^^ what she said!

Little Dragon 04-12-2010 02:04 PM

I was under the impresion that GPhiD was social. Hence my question. As it is business, my question is answered. Thanks.

emb021 04-12-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Dragon (Post 1913769)
2. Also, is dual membership allowed between two PFA fraternitiess?

With Professional fraternities, you can not join two of the same type, but can join more then one, so long as they are different.

ie, you could join a business and a law fraternity (my dad did), but you couldn't join 2 law fraternities.

Miriverite 11-24-2010 01:25 PM

How about the combination of cultural Greek + NIC/NPC?

I know a girl who claims to be a member of a multicultural Greek and an NPC, though I am pretty sure that the multicultural is just colonizing at her school. Or she could just be shitting me because she's too afraid to ask outright whether it's allowed or not.

knight_shadow 11-24-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Miriverite (Post 2006520)
How about the combination of cultural Greek + NIC/NPC?

I know a girl who claims to be a member of a multicultural Greek and an NPC, though I am pretty sure that the multicultural is just colonizing at her school. Or she could just be shitting me because she's too afraid to ask outright whether it's allowed or not.

She's probably lying.

Who has time to do both?

DrPhil 11-24-2010 01:34 PM

It isn't an issue of time. The issue is whether or not dual membership is permitted on the part of the NPC and MCGLO.

knight_shadow 11-24-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2006523)
It isn't an issue of time. The issue is whether or not dual membership is permitted on the part of the NPC and MCGLO.

Hence, the "she's probably lying," since a lot of LGLO/MCGLOs don't allow dual memberships.

The time commitment part was in reference to the second part of her post.

DrPhil 11-24-2010 01:42 PM

Okay.

Time commitment still doesn't have anything to do with what she posted. People make time for all sorts of things if they are allowed to do so.

shannakate 01-23-2011 03:54 PM

What happens if your chapter gets shut down at the school you are initiated at? Do the rules still apply?

AOII Angel 01-23-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shannakate (Post 2023175)
What happens if your chapter gets shut down at the school you are initiated at? Do the rules still apply?

Yes, the rules apply whether your chapter shuts down, you transfer to another school and they don't have your sorority, you are shot to the moon or you forget that you got initiated. It doesn't matter. Once you get initiated, you can't join another group.

Monarca7 01-28-2011 05:25 PM

I am amazed how often this question gets brought up.

Senusret I 01-31-2011 09:09 PM

And I can't believe I reread the whole thing and still didn't get an answer to a question I had (even though I was re-entertained)

Psi U MC Vito 01-31-2011 09:32 PM

As I do not wish to reread the whole thread, what was it?

Kaorin_Kanoe 03-09-2011 07:18 PM

I have a question: I'm a part of a National group, but we are not NPC, nor are we NPHC, or service oriented. We are not off campus either. I have been in my group for one year and although we are on our way to becoming NPC, it will not be when I am an undergrad. Now when I say on our way I don't mean that we're waiting for the decision and I'm just being impatient. I mean that we are beginning to accumulate the right number of quality chapters and other criteria.
I'm going to go to grad school and I'm wondering if I should attempt to join an NPC sorority when it it is possible that my group could become NPC?

KSUViolet06 03-09-2011 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe (Post 2037163)
I have a question: I'm a part of a National group, but we are not NPC, nor are we NPHC, or service oriented. We are not off campus either. I have been in my group for one year and although we are on our way to becoming NPC, it will not be when I am an undergrad. Now when I say on our way I don't mean that we're waiting for the decision and I'm just being impatient. I mean that we are beginning to accumulate the right number of quality chapters and other criteria.

I'm going to go to grad school and I'm wondering if I should attempt to join an NPC sorority when it it is possible that my group could become NPC?

You mean that you are part of an org that wants to eventually expand and JOIN the NPC? Understand that new orgs haven't been added to the conference since 1951. Not saying that it would NEVER happen, but it's not an overnight (or even a "few years") thing.

Also, just a note, not every NPC member org allows grad students to join. Even if a particular org does allow grad students, it doesn't mean that a CHAPTER traditionally does. Ex: XYZ might allow grad students according to its bylaws, but the chapter at Traditional Greek System University may have never actually bid a grad student (because all NMs at that school are typically traditional students.)


33girl 03-10-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaorin_Kanoe (Post 2037163)
I have a question: I'm a part of a National group, but we are not NPC, nor are we NPHC, or service oriented. We are not off campus either. I have been in my group for one year and although we are on our way to becoming NPC, it will not be when I am an undergrad. Now when I say on our way I don't mean that we're waiting for the decision and I'm just being impatient. I mean that we are beginning to accumulate the right number of quality chapters and other criteria.
I'm going to go to grad school and I'm wondering if I should attempt to join an NPC sorority when it it is possible that my group could become NPC?

Grad school issue aside, if you did join an NPC sorority and your current sorority eventually became the 27th NPC group, you most likely would have to surrender your membership in your current sorority, as the group who's been an NPC member the longest would take precedence. This is what happened when the newest members of NPC joined in 1951. Does that help?

33girl 03-10-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2037558)
I took her question to mean her local group would be affiliating with a current NPC group as a new chapter.

In which case, if the local merges with a current NPC (ABC), any alumnae would be eligible to be initiated into ABC, correct? However, if she had since joined a different NPC (say, DEF) in grad school, she wouldn't be permitted to initiate with ABC since she's already a member of DEF, but many (or all) of her local sorority's alums could initiate as an ABC.

I looked at her other posts - she's a KBG - she means her entire sorority becoming the 27th NPC member.

AlwaysSAI 06-20-2011 10:38 PM

Off topic to the above posts, but this thread prompted me to look at our current CPM (revised, 2010) regarding dual membership in SAI. Looking at the CPM then prompted me to look at our National Bylaws (Amended March 2011).

I was surprised. I found something in both documents I hadn't noticed before. It could have been there when I was a collegiate, but if it was, I didn't notice it. (I was pretty involved and served on the Bylaws committee for 3 years, so I really think it's new, but....)

Our bylaws are plainly labeled on the homepage and no password is required, so I assume I'm allowed to discuss them here.

-No person who has held membership in Mu Phi Epsilon, Delta Omicron or Phi Beta shall be eligible for any category of membership. (<--Knew that one)
-No person shall be eligible for membership who has been accepted to but not initiated by any other national music fraternity or sorority within the previous 12 months. (<--was surprised by this one)

It sounds very NPCish to me. Makes me wonder......but I doubt we're headed there.

KSUViolet06 06-20-2011 10:44 PM

^^^^It makes sense to me if DO, Phi Beta, etc. are similar typed orgs (as say, Tri Sigma is to AGD.)

Senusret I 06-20-2011 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI (Post 2064419)
Off topic to the above posts, but this thread prompted me to look at our current CPM (revised, 2010) regarding dual membership in SAI. Looking at the CPM then prompted me to look at our National Bylaws (Amended March 2011).

I was surprised. I found something in both documents I hadn't noticed before. It could have been there when I was a collegiate, but if it was, I didn't notice it. (I was pretty involved and served on the Bylaws committee for 3 years, so I really think it's new, but....)

Our bylaws are plainly labeled on the homepage and no password is required, so I assume I'm allowed to discuss them here.

-No person who has held membership in Mu Phi Epsilon, Delta Omicron or Phi Beta shall be eligible for any category of membership. (<--Knew that one)
-No person shall be eligible for membership who has been accepted to but not initiated by any other national music fraternity or sorority within the previous 12 months. (<--was surprised by this one)

It sounds very NPCish to me. Makes me wonder......but I doubt we're headed there.

That surprises me about Phi Beta, personally, since it is not exclusively a music GLO.

AlwaysSAI 06-20-2011 11:17 PM

^^^It also only has 1 active collegiate chapter and 1 collegiate colony.

I don't know the details of why the exclusivity with Phi Beta was enacted. I just know it's a rule.

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2064421)
^^^^It makes sense to me if DO, Phi Beta, etc. are similar typed orgs (as say, Tri Sigma is to AGD.)

I was referring to the "12 months" rule. I've always known about our exclusivity agreements.

MysticCat 06-20-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2064426)
That surprises me about Phi Beta, personally, since it is not exclusively a music GLO.

True, but Phi Beta's president is a member of the National Interfraternity Music Council (along with the presidents of Phi Mu Alpha, SAI, Mu Phi Epsilon, Delta Omicron, Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma).

Senusret I 06-20-2011 11:24 PM

Wow. That's not a council I would be part of if the shoe was on the other foot.

MysticCat 06-20-2011 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2064432)
Wow. That's not a council I would be part of if the shoe was on the other foot.

Not sure which shoe and other foot you're talking about :D, but Phi Beta is also in the Professional Fraternity Association.

I don't know that the NIMC connection is why Phi Beta is specified in SAI's bylaws, but it is a possibility, I guess.

TAJ<3 07-30-2011 03:20 AM

I don't know if I should start a new thread for this or not, but I am already a member of a NPC Sorority. I know that I am allowed to join the Christian sorority on campus, and have been strongly considering it, but I was wondering if anyone had done this before and if they have any tips for me.

33girl 07-30-2011 11:43 AM

This really depends on how many "social" things the Christian sorority does.

emfgc 08-05-2011 02:58 AM

How is the rule of not being able to join more than one NPC enforced? How would a sorority know if you have been in a different NPC sorority before? Is there some sort of database of the names of every member to be initiated into an NPC? I haven't seen any information on this specifically. I understand that the rule is firm, but I'm sure people have tried to join more than one NPC or sever from one and try to join another. Any information on this?

33girl 08-05-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by emfgc (Post 2076382)
How is the rule of not being able to join more than one NPC enforced? How would a sorority know if you have been in a different NPC sorority before? Is there some sort of database of the names of every member to be initiated into an NPC? I haven't seen any information on this specifically. I understand that the rule is firm, but I'm sure people have tried to join more than one NPC or sever from one and try to join another. Any information on this?

The world is smaller than you think. The Internet is forever.

emfgc 08-06-2011 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2076454)
The world is smaller than you think. The Internet is forever.

Are you referring to facebook photos and such? What do you mean by this?

33girl 08-06-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by emfgc (Post 2076712)
Are you referring to facebook photos and such? What do you mean by this?

Facebook photos. Facebook posts. Mutual friends. Chapter sites (they usually welcome their new members). School newspaper websites. Pretty much...everything. Unless you pledged a hermit sorority on a desert island.

Honestly, if you want to try it and the complete lack of integrity and honesty doesn't bother you, go for it, but don't be surprised if both groups find out and you have membership in nothing.

AlwaysSAI 08-06-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2076454)
The world is smaller than you think. The Internet is forever.

Just to reiterate-

A girl from my initiating AGD chapter deactivated and transferred schools. She began attending COB parties for another national (and very well known) sorority. The AGD chapter found out and called the officers of the other sorority. They no longer considered her for membership and I'm sure word was spread at the next Panhellenic meeting.


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