Yup.

Plus imagine having to pay off loans for that. I mean it's one thing if your company pushes you to go to any mba program at all and pays for it, but why take on the expense yourself for a school like that?

-Rudey

What do you know about NCCU's business school, beyond the fact that they have been unaccredited eversince December 2005 and that they will have their accreditation back in a couple of months? Their accreditation will be restored before too many students are forced to graduate from an unaccredited b-school.

You don't know anything about the program's academic integrity and how well prepared graduates will be once the technicality of accreditation is restored. So don't lose any sleep over their brief hiatus from accreditation, especially since you don't have an MBA and will never get one.

It seems as if you're the one with your Hanes in a lump over this one, not me!

Never in a lump. I Just want people like you to read up on things before painting with a broad brush. Have a good day.

Besides meeting deadlines, apparently, the school admits students who think it's okay to send someone to jail because he's white in order to atone for the oppression of the blacks at the hands of the white man.

That comment is just about as offensive and ridiculous as anything I've ever heard.

Objection -- irrelevant.

Irrelevant only when taken out of context.

The implication was that a school possessing students of such intellectual character presumably are lacking in the academic/intellectual department.

But point taken. Let's go back to talking about how bad these LaCrosse player are.

The problem with this case (and many like it) is that people on both sides of the issue often get their heads wedged so far up their asses the discussion degenerates into pointless name calling. There's enough ridiculous to go around here -- from those who want these guys thrown in prison because of their race to those who refer to the alleged vicitm as a stripper from a crappy school and thus deserving of what she says happened to her.

I can understand why people want to take sides. In my ideal world, doing so would be limited to providing support for the person/side/issue of your choosing without bashing or wishing/causing harm to the other and while realizing that as awesome as we all are, we don't really know the truth. Personally, I'm torn. As a woman, I support the alleged victim and hope she is taken seriously and that she isn't discounted because of her race, school, occupation, or anything else. As one who is experienced in the criminal justice arena, I hope the accused are treated fairly by the courts and that they aren't discounted because of their race or the fact that they're Duke athletes, or for any other reason (and admittedly I use the word "alleged" way too often).

No one is saying that the stripper got what was coming to her (if it happened) because of her school or anything else. Anyone who thinks that there are ever any circumstances giving rise to rape being acceptable is completley effed up.

(but no one is saying that)

If the damned criminal justice system could just work on the timetable of the media, this would have been taken care of in one news cycle.

My wish is the same as yours -- that the criminal justice system works, the guilty go to jail (including this young lady if she's making this up), and the world be made a better and safer place.

I do think, however, that just about any hope of this case being handled in a responsible manner was thrown straight out the window when the D.A. decided that it'd be a terrific idea to start holding press conferences.

I don't care nearly as much about her "profession" or whether or not she is a student than I do concerning the fact that every thing she has asserted and professed seems to come back and bite her in the ass. Her credibility at this point is so horrible that I can't imagine why any person of rational thought would side with her. She claimed with certainty that both these kids raped her, and then we find out that one of them has pretty much written a verified book of events that placed him nowhere near the house at the time of the "rape." Then this crazy story come out about her making the exact same accusations ten years ago, claiming that she was raped THREE years before by men who, subsequently, never had any charges brought up against them. There were no bouncers at the party (which is odd) and the other stripper there has changed her story two or three times. The whole thing is pretty much insane.

Exactly.

What does what a few idiots have to say about a topic have to do with the integrity of the institution they attend? Should we question Duke's academic rigor just because its lacrosse team has had well-documented behavioral problems in the past?

Your ridiculous tangent makes me wonder if the institution(s) you attended are accredited or if they even have admissions requirements. ;)

You're right... maybe I should have just said something along the lines of "I can't believe such a moron would be attending college, let alone have a HS diploma." In reference to that fella.

Does that work for you?

Better for me at least.

Every school has intelligent idiots -- people with book smarts but absolutely no common sense or with a completely distorted and crazy view of the world. I was in college and law school with them and I bet you were, too. If the presence of intelligent idiots were grounds for denying accreditation, there wouldn't be an accredited institution of higher learning in the country.

Besides, future "expert" guests on Nancy Grace, Tucker Carlson, Hannity and Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Rita Cosby, et al., deserve a college education, too.

According to a study released by Duke faculty, chaired by a law professor, the Duke LAX team makes up less than 1% of the student population, but members were responsible for 11% of reported campus problems last year -- many alcohol related.

You can hear the story here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5376032

That obviously does not make them rapists, but does speak to the alleged culture of a seemingly out of control organization.

If you want to look at peoples' pasts then...

In that case we can compare a few drunkards against a stripper/escort/hooker who has a history of saying 3 guys have raped her and getting knocked up early on.

It's funny how many rights a woman gets as soon as she screams rape and how many rights are taken from a man.

Notice how the names of the players are always in the news, but not the woman's. Notice how they talk about how the players were so unruly but they don't say this girl had questionable morals by those standards at the least. The woman claims she got death threats, but I don't see the KKK saying they're going to march by her house with guns, I see the Black Panthers led by a vile man saying they would do that.

-Rudey

Most of your points are correct, in my opinion, however it probably wasn't in the purview of an internal investigation of groups on the Duke campus to comment on a student from another school.

Also, almost all media will not mention the name of an alleged rape victim without her/his permission. (Although this victim has been named somewhere at this point, hasn't she?) Right or wrong, it is in the written rules of conduct of many news organizations.

Conversely, the name of someone who is accused of a crime -- in this case, indicted -- who is over the age of 18, that name may be used.

There's a debate going on about this in J-schools; in my media law class, it was a big portion of the discussion. It wouldn't surprise me if in the future more of the accused keep their names out of the papers. That, to me, would be a great change.

Why was that investigation done? Does anyone in the administration harbor any of their own biases (clearly so given the multitude of op-eds that have been out there since the accusations came about)? In fact I don't see the correlation. Does that mean that someone who is well behaved never rapes or that anyone that drinks rapes? Plus I don't know what the numbers are or what the reasons were for why they got in trouble.

And I know the media doesn't report her name. But that's not right and should be changed. But if they did change it I can just see the groundswell of feminazis that would go insane.

-Rudey

First, in fairness, notice that I edited the first part of my comments about this, probably while you were posting this. My edit was not a result of your later thoughts.

I believe the answer to your question above is that the university administration chartered an investigation of all student groups at Duke -- probably due to the LAX team situation.

Victims rights advocates would not agree that the victim should be identified, but it does seem to me to be potentially unfair in some situations to identify one but not the other.

The victim should not be identified, ever. Neither should the accused. (Good luck with that, right?)

It occurs to me that I should point out that the committee (actually there were two of them) were as critical of the university itself and its handling of student groups as it was of the team.

They made several recommendations that the administration says it will impliment.

They also felt that the team should be able to compete next school year.

I've wondered from the beginning whether the basketball team would have been forced to forfeit its season.

Oh man, that would've been sweet, but then everyone would've thought that the alleged victim was a secret Tar Heel.

No. But on the other hand, Coach K never would have let the basketball team behave like the LAX team appears to have behaved for some years now. It would have been nipped in the bud early on.

One would hope.

Actually Duke basketball has had some history when it comes to partying and drinking, and a pretty good amount of players have all said that they smoked bud on a pretty regular basis. No one is going to question anything that that basketball program does and Coach K has the power to make others pretty much turn the other cheek.

Well, why dont We See what comes out in Court and not the Media Reports;)

Just waiting with Baited Breath!:rolleyes:

True to a degree, but I've never heard of members of the basketball team having problems with public drunkeness, urinating in public or the similar problems that seem to have attended the LAX team. And as loathe as I am to say anything remotely complimentary about Coach K, I don't think he would put up with that. Might reflect badly on his image as the coach of the student-athletes and his extra-curricular contracts.

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On an unrelated yet related note, the NCCU business school regained its accreditation after a 4 month hiatus. This was announced at a press conference this morning. :)

True...I don't think the basketball players would take it that far either.

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Wow! Are you going to take this opportunity to apply?

Do they require the GMAT?

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I don't need nor want a 4th degree.

Look it up. ;)

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If you took any standardized tests in third grade, you can just use those scores instead to get in.

-Rudey

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Good for you, but just so you know, that's not that large of a number. I'll be starting my third in the fall, and there are probably a bunch of others on here working on their third or fourth degrees, at least.

As to the Duke basketball team having a situation like this; I think a big part of it goes to the "see no evil hear no evil" treatment that big-time basketball and football programs get across the country. I honestly don't think this story would have even broken if it was the basketball team (no matter how good the lacrosse team is, or how big the sport is regionally).

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/14494721.htm


Interesting perspective...

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Quality over quantity is what I say.

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I'm thinking of getting an honorary phd, maybe a degree from a school in the former Yugoslavia, and a little something something from the University of Phoenix.

-Rudey
--And following it up with a certificate or two from DeVry

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Don't forget to get your JD from People's College of Law! Or, if you're feeling elite--Cooley!

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Well first I'm going to get my MD from a school in the carribean and then go for the JD. So by next year I plan to have a degree in everything.

-Rudey

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What's your point? The fact that I don't need a 4th degree doesn't require commentary.