They weren't being bigots, they simply didn't think through their actions.

As for white people in BGLOs, etc. I have yet to see one. At least at my campus and at a few others that I've been to, NPHC orgs are, no offense intended, a joke. Really, though with three members on a campus, its hard to take them seriously, especially given their lack of events or even making their presence known. Aside from the random times once a semester that APA rents out a club (which Christ everyone does Greek or not), NPHC orgs, might as well be invisible.

I don't think its being "selective" I think, its a simple lack of interest.

no, they were being bigots. they knew what they were doing. twits like you are the people who apologize for behavior like this and probably think that this is an ok thought process.

a joke, yea right. obviously, you're exposure has been slim to none to spout hot garbage such as this. trust, none of the NPHC organizations could really care what people think about them. evidently, you don't think enough if you don't think there is interest. maybe it's because you yourself don't support black greek events, you wouldn't know anything about, now would you? i could care less about IFC frats, i don't know anything about them....why should i even notice anything they do? ask the black students at your school if the NPHC organizations are invisible. i'm sure you'd get a crazy look. our interest don't go out talking about how they;re going to this and that...we practice something called discretion. but then again, i wouldn't know about just taking anyone who came to a rush function.

Hmmm...The "recruitment" process for NPHCs is extremely vigorous and lengthy. There is nearly ALWAYS more interest than available openings in each of the nine organizations. Besides, have you even looked at the membership numbers? Try Delta Sigma Theta on for size and then get back to us.

99% of traditional GLOs (NIC/NPC groups) are much larger than any BGLOs or MGLOs.

As for taking anyone who rushes...we don't, most don't. As for asking the minority students at my campus about NPHC..


Fall 2003

Fraternities
Alpha Phi Alpha 3 members, no new members
Lambda Upsilon Lambda 2 members, no new members

Sororities
Delta Sigma Theta (wow huge group) 6 members, no new members
Lambda Pi Chi 2 members, no new members
Sigma Lambda Upsilon 2 members, no new members
Sigma Psi Zeta (huge group here!) 7 members, no new members

Growth numbers look PHENOMENAL

Have you ever seen an atom with your own two eyes?

Just because you dont see them does not mean that they do not exist.

I have seen quite a few non-African American members in the NPHC groups at the university I attended.

Excuse me, I'm not trying to separate us from our NPCH brothers & sisters, but I thought that you should know that

Sigma Lambda Upsilon
Lambda Pi Chi

are NOT part of the Divine Nine or NPCH. Those two Sororities are Latina Based Sororities and if I am correct are governed by NALFO (National Association of Latino Fraternal Organizations.

I highly doubt that you were able to get the information that you have stated since most times you do not know who is pledging a BGLO, also I'm pretty sure that if a latina sorority was down to 2 members with no new members then their nationals would step in and probably close that chapter. Both of the above mentioned Latina sororities are NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS

Just thought you might want to have you facts right.

Oh you highly doubt?? Check the website before you shoot off your mouth again

http://gwired.gwu.edu/sac/index.gw/S...ls_Fall_03.pdf

this post is proof positive that you have no clue what you are talking about. have you ever heard of a city-wide chapter? we are fraternities, we're not houses. we are not social groups, we are social service organizations. we're not about BLONDES!! BEER!! WHOOO!! NPHC organizations do not have worry about quota. you even ever been to a black greek event? trust, NPHC organizations will never have to worry about the lack of interest. check out Howard University if you really want to see how it's done. you might want to get out of small box you reside in.

regardless of this....what does this have to do with the Bigotry of these pikes?

It sounds like somebody thinks it's a good idea to try to take the focus off the Pikes by trying to insult NPHC organizations.

yeah, i highly doubt this fool is anything outside of an internet personality. the price of tea in china....

If you bothered to read my prior posts, YOU'D KNOW that I know that there are city wide chapters, instead of single school chapters...but anyways...

As for Howard great, having interest in BGLOs there is like saying that check out GW or Georgetown for Poli Sci majors, its an obvious fact. Howard is a traditionally black school, hence they of course have larger chapters.

Lastly, as for "we're not about BLONDES!! BEER!! WHOOO!!" as you so eloquently put it, lets take traditionally white GLOs:

Approximately 80% of executives in the Fortune 500 are fraternity members.

71% of men listed in "Who's Who in America" were in a fraternity in college.

76% of the members of the United States Congress are fraternity men.

40 of the 47 United States Supreme Court Justices since 1910 have been fraternity members.

100 of 158 United States Presidential Cabinet members since 1900 have been fraternity men.

All but three United States Presidents since 1825 have been fraternity men.

AND...
Despite these numbers, only TWO PERCENT of Americans are fraternity men!

When MGLOs come even REMOTELY CLOSE to any of these numbers, let me know. If you say we are only about drinking and partying...guess what we know how to have a good time and as evident above, we get our work done neh?

Now I'm off to party enjoy your night kiddos

EDITED TO ADD: Seriously is this the only phrase you know? "the price of tea in china...."

what does this have to prove? who ever questioned the validity of the IFC fraternities? or said anything that great men haven't come from those organizations? look down the list of notable african americans throughout history. i'll leave it at that. i'm positive that the Deltas alone could give any of those fraternities a run for their money. i could care less about you guys, i don't question the point of you. you're the twit who is thinks that NPHC organizations are jokes. isnt' george washington a historically white school? you're too small minded to view outside of the box that you live in.

this is ridiculous
 

this is getting to the point that the same things are being said over and over again. I have just found this website and i cant believe all of these posts about this. The pikes personally apologized to the people that showed up to the party that was offended and suspended the people that did it. Other miscellaneous actions were also taken but thats not important. What people fail to realize is that greek organizations have parties all the time. Most of the parties are theme parties. If a black organization were to have a theme party about scandanavian people and dressed up in white face, do you honestly think it would make the news. I highly doubt it. I understand that black people were oppressed and some feel like even today they are still oppressed and in some situations i agree they are. But black face was a tactic used in the 1920's ro discriminate. I think that the best thing i have heard about the subject was on the tough crowd with colin quin when he said that it was almost like a popular thing these days to be black. More so than ever. These guys were not putting black people down. They were simply trying to say this one thing. It was a straight out of compton theme and to the surprise of few, Very many successful black males have come from compton and become rich. Why then if you are idolizing a certain genre of music are you racist or a bigot. I feel they were more trying to go with the costume and possibly just possibly idolize some of the great rappers that have come from there(i.e. dre) Who says that everything has to be negative why cant it be something positive. Maybe back then it was used negatively but who says that they were following those footsteps. Who says they werent trying to make there own footsteps, by saying how people no longer look at black people in discrimnation but more as idolization. Heck i wish i was a famous rapper or basketball player, black white or indifferent. It was handled by the fraternity and with all of this childish arguing and fighting all we have done is segregated ourselves even more. Congrats.

Re: this is ridiculous
 

no...this post is ridiculous.

Hey, because of your openly racist and inflammatory statement, your organization's charter should be revoked.

I'm kidding of course, but seriously, how can you sit there and say things like that, even if you're kidding, while condemning individuals that did something that is right along those same lines? You walk a thin line, but your words here essentially accuse all 'social' GLO's as being about blondes and beer. Did you mean NIC/NPC groups? What exactly did you mean?

In the words of many of the people practicing their righteous indignation on this thread, NOTHING justifies a comment like this. Practice a little of the sensativity you preach.

it's an ignorant generalization i made, wasn't it? that's exactly the point. i don't pretend to know anything about anything outside of my fraternity, and that's why i'll never speak on anything outside of my organization. it's ignorance such as this kid's that has to be stamped out. that post was solely for him.

I agree w/ Colonist. I think GLOs with small chapters aren't about much. I also think the same thing about smaller schools. There's this school somewhere in Massachusetts that has less than 7,000 undergrad students. People say that it is one of the most selective schools in this country. I call BS on that, I think it's simply a lack of interest. I think it's called Harvard University or something.

:rolleyes:

lol, you'se a damn fool....

i'd match your eyeroll..but that ish is hella feminine.

But you do, but you do, but you do. Do you drink tea in China too? What would you have done if I made a thread saying the NPHC was all about "Applebottoms! 40s! OW OW!"

I'm betting you just might be offended.

don't you ever disrespect my organization by doing my call. you don't see me disrespecting gamma phi beta, so don't assume that you can pull shit like that. that's all i'll say about that bullshit.

have you ever heard the expression of tea in china?

"what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in china?"

meaning all of that mess has absolutely nothing to do with this subject.

go ahead and start up a thread on that...and watch the rest of D9'ers get on you. like i said, that post was for him...he's the one putting down the D9. it wasn't for you. but if you got offended, remain offended. i've already clarified who it was for.

Am I aloud to drink grape soda?

No, but you're allowed.:p

Re: this is ridiculous
 

I really don't understand why people keep using examples like this -- well, if a bunch of black guys dressed up as white people, we wouldn't even hear about it, would we? First of all, I think we would, and second of all, it is not the same thing, period. There is no history of discrimination against white people in this country. Why are there so many white people who don't get this?!

I think that the people planning social events for our organizations need to get a life and quit the stupid theme party ideas. It sounds like more often than not, they're offensive. What's the point? I really think that college students should be resourceful enough to have fun without stupid theme parties.

Their call is applebottoms, 40s ow ow? I'm confused.

-Rudey

History
 

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Re: History
 

Take this bit of advice. Everything you say here reflects on your letters. Even if you don't understand that, think about your other chapters. You're going to get people upset with some things you're saying.

-Rudey

no, it's not. clear up the confusion?

Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

first thing we've ever agreed on.

Re: History
 

and bullshit like this sets us back.

Re: Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

LOL, I hadn't realized that I ever disagreed with you.

I think we are all getting off the real issue here. The reason why this thread was originally started. Myself included. Everyone has different opinions about this situation. And most likely their opinions won't be persuaded. There willl always be someone to takes offense to any actions taken by others. but it's a sham ethat the only ones that get paid attn to are the ones about race. We live in the year 2004. I thinks it's time to put the past behind us and try to think of ways to better ourselves as people in the future. But we can't do this, if we only continue to divide ourelves.

Re: Re: Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

well, in this thread

we can put the past behind us if shit like this stops. yeah, we do live in 2004...you think people would learn by now.

i hear you pike. I think this whole thread is a sad example of how we are still divided. Blackface is not acceptable to, and I believe you that they weren't trying to be racist. But it just shows that we're not familiar with history, and they really didn't know that African-Americans (and others for that matter) would find this offensive - which again, is really sad, especially if they have people of color in their chapter. Those people of color probably don't even know the history of blackface, which is why they didn't find it offensive either.

Pike, I'm sorry that your org. is getting all this negativity over these two individuals.

I Y Dionysus!!!!!:cool:

I think what you are saying here is kind of true.

Intent, which we can't know has to matter. But I think it comes down more to an issue that is more sensitive to some people than others.

A statement was made earlier than these guys had to know the significance of blackface. Its been in the news, its part of history etc.

Thats not true. I have had diversity training, something that's so PC its almost not useful and its not normal study. I have a history minor and it was never mentioned. And outside of this web site I have never seen blackface mentioned in a negative way or even at all.

In fact I only have a dim recolection of really old movies having it in there, and hearing once that the mummers used to have it in their parade.

If they (the members) didn't do this with a malicious intent than the punishment and feedback far outstrips the situation. As a former chapter president I can honestly say I believe the Pike chapter failed its members by punishing them with suspension. Thats unfair.

Instituting a seminar to teach the historical significance would have been appropriate to alleviate the ignorance of chapter members, if they are indeed still ignorant after all this publicity.

Suspending the brothers because the external forces are "mad" at them, is just weak. I am seriously disapointed in their chapter president. Ultimately he is the one that is supposed to protect his members, even when they are unpopular.

Well, if such organzations are making people walk around like ducks, then ANYONE who is offended by the humiliation of ANYONE should take issue with that. However, since this type of action isn't geared toward the stereotyping and degredation of a group of people, their physical characteristics, race, ethinicity, etc. etc. etc., I really don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand, which is, since you seem to have forgotten, another white fraternity acting in a racist manner. So, your attempt at comparison has FAILED.

First you talk crap about all NIC/NPC fraternities/sororities and then when she responds inkind you start cussing and getting flustered, can we say double standard?

As for your expression I think we both brought it up because you've used it three time if not more in this thread, christ find a new phrase its not that hard.

Yeah all us racist white fraternities, I mean shoot if you join an NIC fraternity you must be racist...oops gotta go I have a Klan meeting.

PHASAD1913 IT WASN'T A RACIST MANNER. DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE GUYS, OR WERE YOU AT THE PARTY? JUST BECAUSE THAY ARE PREDOMINATELY WHITE MAKES THEM RACIST? SO I GUESS THE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THEIR CHAPTER WERE BEING RACISTS TOO?