Ole Miss
 

From the Ole Miss web site.
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Ole Miss

"There is a valid distinction between The University and Ole Miss even though the separate threads are closely interwoven.

The University is buildings, trees and people. Ole Miss is mood, emotion and personality. One is physical, and the other is spiritual. One is tangible and the other intangible.

The University is respected, but Ole Miss is loved. The University gives a diploma and regretfully terminates tenure, but one never graduates from Ole Miss."

Frank E. Everett, Jr., B.A.'32 LL.B.'34


http://www.olemiss.edu/hospitality/olemiss.html

Excellent quote TSteven. It is up in our Student Union. :)

Awww, I like that quote too!!

And nhpgator, so glad to hear you were treated with such southern hospitality! Did you come to Oxford when we played you last year...or 2 years ago (when the goalposts came down :) )
That was a fun game...we hung out with some Florida people that were cool kids.

fortunately (for me at least) I missed that one - and funny enough missed the game in gainesville this year also - both for weddings - i think i'll forbid any of my friends from getting married on the weekend we play y'all - it seems to be a jinks for us!! My inlaws were in oxford though - and have the same opinion i do - they love it - especially the walk - what's it called - the walk the players to the stadium!!

tasha

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And I am horrified to hear that the current chancellor has set his sites on ELIMINATING the beloved nickname "Ole Miss" and making us simply the University of Mississippi :eek:

It makes me so sad to see the kinds of changes being implemented at a place I have called home.

The Walk of Champions in the Grove.

Great place, you can purchase a brick through my office and have it inscribed. By the way, LOTS of GREEK alumni purchase bricks and put their names and GLOs on it. I just sold one a couple of weeks ago to another AOII! Fun times!

After reading all of this and hearing about the infamous stories of Ole Miss, I would have to agree with several others from this post and say that the best choice sounds like AXO. When I attended Alabama, they had and still do have a VERY strong chapter. AU has a very strong chapter of AXO also. They have a great reputation....wonder what they would say to colonizing at Ole Miss??

My beloved ZTA should definitely NOT recolonize there!!

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People are always going to call us Ole Miss. I am soooo tired of the University trying to flush our traditions down the drain.

First it was the flag--they were successful in getting rid of that, kinda.

Then it was Dixie...they failed...however they can only play it so many times per game or something.

Then it was Col Reb...both...didn't get rid of Col. Reb however no "on the feild" mascot.

Now trying to get rid of calling us Ole Miss. WHY? I'm sure they will come up with some reason it makes us look like we're racists who still think we're in the Civil War....that's what they did with everything else.

Though I would love to see AXO at Ole Miss I would rather see us re-colonize our LSU and UCLA chapters.

I actually think AXO would be the best choice for Ole Miss as well. Although I still think it would be a huge financial risk.

Yes, ACW is the one our house talked about too. I know we get many of their legacies from AL chapters going through Recruitment here. However, it is going to cost big time money! Also, does anyone know what happens if no NPC wants to join our campus? Does that mean quota gets smaller or they put a cap on how many women can go through recruitment? Just wondering.

:)

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They tried to do that at Pitt too I believe - getting rid of the "Pitt" script and putting Pittsburgh on all the clothing & such. As you can see everyone still calls it Pitt. :)

If no one comes to your campus then your chapters continue to get larger. This is what is happening at LSU. That campus has unintentionally priced itself out of range. Too much $$$ + No New Group = Current chapters exploding.

Quota will get smaller if 1) the number of PNM gets smaller (it's pretty much cyclical anyway), 2) Panhellenic intentionally sets quota lower then it should be or 3) Panhellenic holds fast to Chapter Total. Neither 2 nor 3 does any one any favors. In scenario 2, for example, quota should be 40 because of the number of PNMS but Panhellenic says that quota is 35. I have seen scenario 3 in action and it can be devastating. Chapter Total is set at 50 and no chapter can ever be above that number. Going into recruitment groups are at 40, 30 and 30. Quota is set at 20. Group A can take only 10, and the other two can take 20. It only takes one low turn out to put the whole system into disarray where all chapters must constantly COR. ****I know that the Green Book says that any group is allowed to pledge Quota, but it's not like that on at least two campuses.****

As far as limiting the number of girls going through, what criteria would you use besides GPA? If you add that a certain number of credits completed (12 hours) be obtained then you run into a Spring deferment issue. Would that really solve anything? I know that I would never want to be in the Greek Life office fielding those phone calls.

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And not just folk from Mississippi. The University of Kentucky athletic schedules list teams from the University of Mississippi as "Ole Miss". As in "Kentucky at Ole Miss". And if you check out the Southeastern Conference web site, they do the same.

In the SEC and the South, the University of Mississippi IS Ole Miss.

A couple of years after I left Arkansas, they decided to put a cap on the number of women who could be pledged--I can only imagine because the houses couldn't accomodate more women. Bad move. I have to find that yearbook but something like 600 girls rushed and less than 300 got bids--and everyone made quota. Can you imagine the number of anti-Greek women that produced?

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Exactly! Right now "Ole Miss" IS an official school name and that's why the SEC, etc, referes to us as such. That's what the current chancellor wants to change. He wants to eliminate Ole Miss as a legal name, leaving only the (bland & generic) University of Mississippi as the official & legal school name.

Okay my Ole Miss alumni and friends....I work on campus and all I'm going to tell you is that there is nothing in the works to get rid of "Ole Miss". I know it might be like at University of New Orleans, where they use University of Mississippi more than Ole Miss in PR stuff, but they are not getting rid of that. At University of New Orleans they went from being known as U-N-O to University of New Orleans more and more. Anyway, I work in Alumni Affairs and I know we aren't getting rid of Ole Miss, actually our Marketing Director is incorporating it into our PR and what the public and alumni view more and more. Anyway, just wanted to throw my two cents in.

Finally, they're giving up on throwing all off our traditions out the window. Next thing you know they'll want to get rid of
Hotty Toddy. That'll be the day.

I'm sure they would not get rid of you. :D

Don't be so sure. They pretty much got rid of "Rammer Jammer" by forbidding the band to play it until the last half of the 4th quarter. :(

Yeah, but since the fans/students say it and the band doesn't play it, it'll be very hard to get rid of it. They just might not have the male cheerleaders lead the chant...

Didn't they start doing Rammer Jammer again?

Yeah. In the last half of the 4th quarter. If we have a significant lead. (Which did NOT happen too often this past year!)

We do have a promising bunch of new recruits, though. Maybe next year... :D

Just something interesting I thought I would toss in here:

I'm the secretary/membership chair of the NYC Chi O Alum chapter and we've been doing a membership drive in the last few months. Well, I have had 3 different girls join the chapter recently and all of them put 'University of Mississippi' on their info sheets. If it wasn't for their listing of Tau chapter I would have barely known they were from Ole Miss!!! :)

There are so many Greeks that live in NYC that went to OLE MISS! I'm sure they will be great assets to your alumnae chapter!

I will be joining all of those great greeks there soon in NYC. I know several Ole Miss Greeks that live up there..most are DGs, Kappa Sigs, Sigma Chis, and of course Phi Mus.

Also...all my Ole Miss people out there. Any of you planning to go to Double Decker? I figured OleMissGlitter would be going, but I didn't know if any of the others made a special trip. Personally, I cannot wait for Double Decker. I think it's something that I will always try to come back for. I actually may come to Oxford next weekend as well...I miss my friends...

I'll be at Double Decker! That is also the weekend of the Tri Delta's Chi Chapter's 100 Year Reunion! Anyway, check out
www.doubledeckerfestival.com for the band line up and food vendors! Fun times!

Also, this weekend is Theta's 25 year reunion at Ole Miss.

Oh, my goodness! I just looked and saw that my cousin's daughter is one of the artists! We don't live in the same town anymore, so I guess I'm out of the loop.

On a side note, she used to date one of the Kudzu Kings (they will be there, too).

LOVE Kudzu Kings....we used to go see them play all the time!

Kudzu Kings are awesome! I remember one concert a The Library, and it was wild! This guy climbed in the rafters of The Library like a monkey! I see Kudzu Dave around O-town now and then carousing the square or driving around in his vintage VW Van.

Just wanted to point out that colonizing isn't easy, even at a Northern school. I am an advisor at a large state university with only 6 panhellenic chapters.....ceiling is around 90. But there were fairly large numbers of girls not getting a house in recent years.....right now AEPhi is looking to colonize due to interest from members of Hillel who actively sought to bring them in. But although these are girls who probably would not be interested in going through recruitment for the current chapters, there is still concern on the part of the groups who have been around for a long time. Our newest national is Tri-Sigma, which officially joined us during the 90-91 academic year. Aside from them, the other 5 chapters have been around forever. These 6 chapters have no reason to feel threatened, and yet there is an undercurrent of concern about what effects there might be. Plus there is concern that the new chapter might fail and Panhel doesn't want to see that.

For ID purposes, I am coming back after a long absence....Amy (AmyCat) and Tracy (KillarneyRose) should be able to figure out who I am!!!!!!!;)

How could ADPi go about to get back on campus? I know I have wanted to work for nationals since I graduated, oneday I will, I hope lol. I just hate seeing we had chaoters places and then they left for various reasons. My wish is to get all chapters weve lost back again. Im still learning as much as I can but how could we go about coming back to Ole Miss? I wonder if we could petition to get a chapter back there or what?

ho hum...
 

after reading the many posts, one gathers that the only place for
GLOs is Ole Miss. Now, I realize I will isolate many, but consider this (Tom Earp, others, jump in...this is a real problem)
Ole Miss is hardly what one would call a Phi Beta Kappa bastion
Ole Miss harkens back to the "finishing school" mentality
Who wants to be in a 200 member chapter? What on earth is the
purpose of the body shop? I recall, way back before you all were
born...SAE-the happy hundred. TKE-88 men + 45 transfers who
are not even considered. Beta-need $ and bein' legacy helps.
Sig Chi, Fiji, ATO, Phi Psi, Phi Delt, Delt, etc., all great groups of great guys...50-70 in size. Today, risk management, lack of supervision, whole new ball game.
When SAE or Beta builds new one 5-7 million, why not see to it
that TKE, Sig Ep, Pike, LXA, etc. get the old house instead of the
U making a Gay Rights or International House out of it?
We are imploding...anyone listening? When one fails, another will take its place as the bottom chapter...yada, yada...duh
The minorities and the entry of non-collegiate greek letter groups
all without houses are siphoning off some good prospects. If we
do not come to grips with this 200-member problem, we will be so
exclusive that even the wimps won't want to join...
Today...outside of Dixie...takes 3-4 fraternities combining to even
function with a sororitypledge class...well, you get my point.
Who wants to have their teeth kicked in by back-stabbing or a
horrendous uphill-climb to be in a sorority at Ole Miss? Aren't we
all supposed to be civil to one another?
This problem will need to be tackled by the NIC and NPC execs at
the national level. It is sad and a lose-lose situation.
The tradition, history, nostalgia...all great, but without a helping
hand, Ole Miss and their ilk will remain air heads, sad but true, in
the eyes of us outsiders.
Re-read, if you dare...start a new thread, let us continue, with civility please...perhaps we can do something worthwhile other
than get all het up over the muted lighting and flatware placings,
and perhaps, we might even get back to the original idea:
FRATERNITY--re-read your history, do...
Erik P Conard, old alum who still cares, always will....TKE

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Granted, a lot of the point of your post is lost on me, but I do want to respond to the above. I wouldn't put it quite so graphically, but it is an uphill climb to "be in a sorority" at many schools. Besides that, I believe that in this very thread someone (who actually knows) said that last year the sororities placed 90% of their PNMs. That is a phenominal percentage that even many small schools can't reach, and does not support your idea that rush at Ole Miss is back-stabbing or horrendous. In fact, several women (who actually know) have said in this thread that they don't consider Ole Miss rush to be all that competitive if you keep an open mind and give every group a fair chance.
Aside from the size of the pledge classes and chapters, which are acknowleged by everyone to be too large, there isn't much broken here that seems to need a helping hand. Ole Miss has one of the strongest Panhellenics in the south, if not the US. All of the sororities there are healthy and thriving. They must be doing quite a lot right.

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Not so much, sir. At my school of initiation, as well as several other state schools here, I think it takes 2-3 sororities to handle a fraternity.

And furthermore, if you think the Greek system at Ole Miss is in danger of imploding, you might need your head examined. I'm about as worried imploding as I am about nobody buying Packers season tickets.

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I was thinking the same thing. To have ALL sororities meet quota is absolutely amazing to me. The year I went through was the year Theta closed here (University of South Carolina), meaning that there were a grand total of 4 out of 10 sororities not meeting quota... maybe 5, but that's all just speculation. I just find it amazing that there's not even ONE sorority not making quota. I think this year there were still 2 sororities that didn't make it (I'm not exactly in the loop anymore) and that was WITH 2 sororities in 2 years closing.

The guy who said that the small chapters just get replaced by other small chapters is exactly true. I was reading numbers from I think 1999 the other day at USC, and Kappa used to be larger than ZTA. Now ZTA's one of the largest (if not THE largest) and Kappa is the smallest. Now, granted, size isn't everything.... Kappa has made some HUGE improvements in their chapter since I rushed. They're on campus doing everything, they're taking positions on Sorority Council and Cabinet, and (not to be superficial) their girls have gotten a lot cuter since I rushed. But, for whatever reason, they're the smallest now. And when they take quota this year in rush (I have full confidence they will!) there will be another sorority there to take their place as the smallest. Oh, and when I say smallest, I mean that there are two sororities sitting (once again, my numbers may be a little off since I'm out of the loop) around 125 members while there are other sororities sitting at around 250.

Point being, congratulations to Ole Miss for being able to have a great Greek Life system. You must be doing something right.

Can anyone tell me the email address of the Greek Coordinator at Ole Miss? I wanted to contact him.

Erik, having 200 member chapters is really not a big deal when you consider that if all the girls who began rush (I'm counting the ones who drop, but that wanted to be part of Greek life) joined there would probably be 500 member chapters!!

And WHAT is with the reference to "non-collegiate Greek letter groups"? I haven't heard hottytoddy wringing her hands & saying "Beta Sigma Phi took all the best rushees! Curses, foiled again!" I'm quite aware of how you feel about this group (as is the rest of Earth) but it really has no bearing in this situation.

Shannan-

The honest truth is that it is just too soon to reopen ADPi at Ole Miss. In addition, there is no place for a new house on campus right now. The old ADPi house (which was one of their problems to begin with) is now being used by the University. They wouldn't want it back anyway.

The reasons for this opinion are way, way back in this thread, if you haven't already read the posts.

Thanks. :) I had read some but I read all of the posts now :)