Oh I totally agree with that. And her wearing fur and getting red paint thrown on her is part of the script from what I understand so maybe Kim was just getting into the part....

A few years ago I read a news story about them trying to make it so that legally you don't own your pet, you are its guardian.

You've been killed a lot today... Are you sure you aren't a cat?

Technically, parents don't "own" their children, but it doesn't seem to be a deterrent from abusing them if they are that type of person. I don't get the point...

Neither do I.

Side note: what was this thread about before we hijacked it with PETA discussion? I don't even remember.

That legally, animals would have an equal standing with humans. PhiGam, I remember that story too.

People don't get the death penalty for killing animals....I think that's part of the point.

Pets are by law considered personal property which is why they can be bought and sold as such. And that's also why you can't get the death penalty for "destroying" your personal property.

Which is the way it should be. Animal cruelty should be a crime... but not on the same level as killing a fellow human.

Agreed, but mostly based on the point that I don't believe in the death penalty--at all.

Well in response to the original intent of the thread....

We were watching a guys' intramural game and saw one of our formal shirts on a girl that many of us know of...and not in a good way. I'm not sure that SHE is so awful, but her friends are notorious/infamous on campus and there IS something to be said about "guilty by association". Bottom line...it's not good advertisement for us. A Phi Mu commented on it before we got there and the girl's response was "Yeah, guess I'm an Alpha Gam for a night..."

Well, let me tell you how that went over with us. The Phi Mu said she kind of rolled her eyes and walked off after that, and we debated about saying something to her, but figured it was in our best interest to just shoot rather obvious dirty looks in the general direction instead of making a scene (because it would defintiely have turned into a scene). But it definitely didn't make any of us like her.

On a slightly off topic and happier note, I was working at a local store and went to scan a credit card...well what do you know it had red and buff roses on it, and turned out to be an Alpha Gam card...I got to have a nice chat with one of the alums of my chapter.

Original thread topics are overrated, I like when they get hijacked into a political discussion.
You dealt with that girl the right way though, nothing looks worse for a sorority then having girls get in fights.

Yeah, I've had times where I wanted to say something catty to someone at a party or whatever...but I didn't because it would reflect badly on our chapter. I know our advisers tell us to represent Kappa at all times, and it's TRUE! Our province's director of chapters that if we did something we didn't want the president of KKG or our grandma to see, we shouldn't be doing it. :-)

Yea, most of the stuff that makes you look bad to nationals also makes you look bad to any guy that actually has respect for women. The only exception is [social] underaged drinking, which is just normal.
A lot of freshman girls like to get hammered drunk at socials and crushes not realizing that they are attracting attention to themselves in a negative light. And everyone knows that rule #92 of wedding crashing is to draw attention to yourself, but on your own terms.

I do the same thing! Letters mean so much and more than just who might come across them but respect for what they mean... I can't trash that :o

Some of us don't have the luxury of having the time to do that shit.

You should say the same thing to the active sisters when you rush this fall.

LOL.

unfortunantely shirts/clothing with letters get passed around all the time - i find greek shirts at goodwill/salvation army and friends will buy the ones they find with my letters on them.

basically not everyone treats their letters the same way

OTW,

what i meant is either you can sew it yourself or take the shirts somewhere to get the same thing done. and no i wouldn't mention that, that's stupid.

SRSLY???:rolleyes: Maybe as stupid as someone who has already informed us that she is not Greek telling Greeks what they should do with their letters?

Can we please let this thread die (AGAIN) now? The "Embarrsing" title is driving me nuts.

alpha i was just giving the people an idea

it's what i did with my competitive cheerleading shirts... no reason you can't do the same thing with greek letter shirts.

There are at least 10 threads here about tshirt quilts. We're well aware of the concept.

Sweetie just put her on ignore already and stop responding. She's not gonna quit.

And now...Back to the original snark-free posting please!

Really though?
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oN5EBESvsw

:eek:

...she knew she was dead a**ed wrong for it. and apparently everyone else knew it, or else that guy wouldnt have bothered trying to catch her with it on...

I actually like that this thread popped up because I have a great story from the weekend.
So there I was talking to one of my guy friends who was manning the door when a group of guys come up.
Justin "Are you on the list?"
Group "No, but we are Greek let us in." (first clue to the perp)
Justin "What fraternity are you in?"
Group "Dude, we are the Triiiiii- DELTS"
Justin and I look at each other
Me "On this campus"
Group "oh duh of course"
Me "You realize that Delta Delta Delta has not been on this campus for eight years and even if it was, that it is a national SORORITY."
Justin breaks out laughing and the guys faces fall. The group kind of shuffles away.

If you are going to perp and someone asks you what campus you are from, never say the one you are currently on or at least do your homework. Maybe they were going for Delta Tau Delta but it still wouldn't have worked.

That's really interesting to me... At my campus, I would certainly FLIP OUT (and I have... I ripped the letters off someone's car once knowing they weren't in my sorority) if I saw another girl wearing my letters and she wasn't a member.. but as to guys letters... I own a ton of shirts and jackets from events or rush shirts.. Last year one frat made vineyard vines rush fleeces, which happen to fit most girls I know and be VERY comfortable, and they're a popular item to see on campus.
It's common around here for the guys to give girls they know rush shirts- I own phi delt crest shirts, sig ep crest/logo thing shirts, pi kapp shirts, sigma nu shirts, beta shirts, our locals shirts, ato shirts, k.sig shirts, etc.. Lambda Chi came and dropped of a ton of shirts for every girl in our chapter, kind of a PR thing. I know our fiji shirts do say FIJI instead of their letters, but most groups don't seem to care here.. Granted I'm an ex-social chair and do have good friends in most of those groups, but I can think of only one occasion where I've seen a girl asked not to wear a guys letters (and there was a very good reason for it).
At the same time, I've seen a lot of guys wear our letters around- boyfriends, guyfriends, brothers.
I'm not talking event shirts- those are generally a different catagory. if it says "xyz crush" or "event by xyz" then really, I don't care who wears it. We have a lot of GDI girls who wear the 'girls fight back' shirts that say 'sponsered by xyz(written out) and panhellenic.' and that's fine.
And while I certainly wouldn't wear them if I was looking like crap that day, I wear them pretty often. Of course, I wouldn't wear my own letters on a day I decide to roll out of bed. Saying that, unless I was engaged to a fraternity member or their sweetheart, I would NEVER wear their drop. That will get you in pretty big trouble here.

edited to add: Actually, one thing that is really common with those shirts is when an organization comes to another meeting (frat plegdes serenading us, a group thanking us, someone just trying to get our attention to something going on at our campus, etc) they often wear our letters or make letters for us.. We currently have about five sets of GIANT PAINTED wooden letters in one of our storage closets from different fraternities. They're great to put out during recruitment/homecoming/ (dry) tailgates and such.

As for perps... we have one girl who SWEARS she is a member of our sorority, and tells fraternity guys she is. We recently started making friends with a group and they brought her up as an example of why they weren't too interested to mix. The new class said, "who?" and some of us were like...'she's never, EVER been a member of our organization.' but it still makes it hard to see her on campus.

If he runs into the wrong person, he wont have to worry about wearing a greek shirt.

could she have transferred to your school and just not have affiliated with your chapter?

I've seen a girl who is known to be really sex, drugs, and rock n'roll wearing a shirt of ours one time. Another sorority confronted her about it and she left in a huff, but it was good to know Panhellenic spirit is alive and well.

I guess on the other hand sometimes independents don't understand WHY it's so wrong to wear our letters, and why it makes us mad. It probably just looks like a club to some of them.

I have several fraternity shirts, like XYZ girl shirts and formal shirts. On our campus that's no big deal. I have seen girls wearing their boyfriends' sweatshirts or jerseys, but when I was dating a fraternity guy I was never comfortable doing that because I'd never let him wear mine (not that he'd want to). The only straight letters of his that I wore were on the lavaliere he gave me.

Do people have no shame? That would be so embarrassing to be wearing any shirt of any organization that I was not a part of. That just does not make good sense.

Ignorant people do it all the time because to them, it has not meaning.

I just can't believe you vandalized someone's vehicle like that. Is it possible they were from another campus, the sticker was from a sibling or previous owner? I love my letters and what they stand for, but it seems so petty. Isn't having to explain to the police, the Dean of Students/Judicial board, and your sisters that you messed with someone's property over a 1.99 sticker more shameful than a perp?

That's kind of what I was thinking.

I used to wear my mom's ASA t-shirt when I was in high school. It was cool to wear vintage, and it was my mother's shirt from college. Wearing it was like a round-about way for teenage me to complement her. One day a girl in the mall was mad at me "where did you get that shirt!? You can't wear that!". I thought it was kind of crazy, I could wear whatever I wanted!

I wouldn't wear other letters now, mostly because I wouldn't dare give up the advertising! I'd like Chi O to be around for another hundred years or more.

fuck yeah

Maybe because so many fraternities treat their fraternity like a club rather than a fraternity?

WHY, dear God, WHY must dumbass, snobby bitches continue to drag the Southern name through the mud? I mean, is it too much to ask for them to give themselves a username like, "belowtheMason-Dixonlinesugar" or "IthinkIambetterthaneveryoneelse213" or how about "gettingmyMRS./futureBettyFordAlum"??? WHY, MUST they put SOUTHERN in their usernames? True Southern women would LAUGH at bitches like this in our towns.