Trenton Ducket???

Yeah never heard of him.

The View ends on an exciting note.

Joy Behar's still talking about the details of the case and how guilty Casey Anthony could be.

Whoopi Goldberg: She was acquitted! Acquitted! A jury of 12 people found her not guilty. The problem with trials like this is people won't take what the justice system, that many claim to believe in, seriously. People will keep going and going and going...then what's the point of a justice system (unless, of course, there will be an appeal)

Joy Behar: That's the court's decision but I'm talking about the court of public opinion...that I believe in.

Audience: Applause and scream.

Whoopi Yells: The court of public opinion is what gets people killed in false convictions and the death penalty. (Me: It's also what gets Casey Anthony's parents death threats and condones street justice when people think the justice system has failed.) Public opinion is like an (bleep--she said asshole but they bleeped it), everyone has one.

Amen, Whoopi.

Barbara Walter's Nightline will have the defense attorney this evening.

The greatest irony of all is that the zealots upset over the verdict (and pissed at jurors they don't know) are actually operating on the exact same axis as the jurors, just in a different direction (from a decision making standpoint).

The zealots cling to the notion of "justice" for Caylee - but the ideal of the court system is that the jurors must only concern themselves with justice for the defendant. The jurors concerned themselves not with the child, but with meting out justice for Casey Anthony - and we need to get the fuck over ourselves with the notion that justice is purely a positive thing, or purely a 'punishment' thing.

Justice is simply applying the law correctly - conflating justice and righteousness is a stark, silly and ultimately self-serving load of crap. It also wins trials, so <3 <3 <3. But yeah. Whether we like it or not, a court of law just cannot concern itself with "justice" for the plaintiff, the victim or those related - in fact, the notion is borderline silly to consider.

Yes, that's also one of the reasons why false convictions and harsher sentences occur. People are so angry over what happened and want to see someone, anyone, convicted and punished. Justice for Caylee is not synonymous with justice for Casey.

I just saw this-
"The family may never know what happened to Caylee Marie Anthony," George and Cindy Anthony's lawyer Mark Lippman, said in a statement. "They now have closure for this chapter of their life. They will now begin the long process of rebuilding their lives."

"Despite the baseless defense chosen by Casey Anthony, the family believes that the jury made a fair decision based on the evidence presented, the testimony presented, the scientific information presented, and the rules that they were given by the Honorable Judge Perry to guide them," the statement continued.

I assume the "baseless" defense that they're referring to is the allegation of sexual abuse by Casey's father? Or am I off on that?

Seems well-chosen to encompass both the sexual abuse, and the implications of the parents' role in a coverup of accidental death.

There's that, then there's the defense's allegation that Caylee drowned in her grandparents' swimming pool, and that they helped Casey cover it up.

A good chunk of the "reasonable doubt" in my mind came from her mother's weird testimony about the chloroform Google searches, as well as from "the month without seeing Caylee and believing that Zany the Nanny--who they had never met--was taking her on a tour of Florida theme parks.

All I can say is, if the jurors really were the awful people many are saying they are...wouldn't they have just taken the easy way out and found her guilty and given the public what they're screaming for? They'd be automatic heroes instead of having to put up with the harassment and death threats they're sure to be getting soon.

But then they would have to sit through sentencing.

Remember one had a cruise this week.

I didn't read the whole thread but my take on the question of why THIS child? The same reason why Nancy Grace is popular and why we enjoyed seeing Simon humiliate people. People tend to be facinated by awful things. From the beginning we had a kid missing, a mom out partying and whoring around, and lots of inclusive proof that made an armchair detective out of many people. Oh, and let's not forget the freakshow of a family with all of their lies! Pretty lurid stuff, actually.

Obviously.

Oh...and another thing that has bothered me.... Zanny the Nanny- I know she made up the whole nanny things but I wondered if she picked the name as a result of using Zanax to shut the kid up.

And maybe Frog will hit me with another "Obviously" LOL.

That would be a negative, because it's Xanax.

LOL.

There are so many questions, some of them are directly related to the case and others are not.

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That's also why I don't think "common sense" has anything to do with this case, not even extralegally. An attorney on HLN just said "that doesn't seem like common sense." What is considered common sense is subjective. And, more importantly, reasonable doubt weighed more heavily.

ETA: And if I hear one more person on the news say "another O.J. Simpson".... I know the O.J. trial was the first big public murder trial that many people can think of. This is proof positive that people are especially concerned with perceived miscarriages of justice when they think it has hit home---which is essentially what some of us have been saying in this thread.

I figured Zany rhymed with Nanny. :confused:

The "nanny" was named Zenaida. I assume Zany is a nickname.

ETA- Who is by the way suing Anthony for having her name dragged into this mess.

LOL!

Yeah and Jane Velez-Mitchell was about to jump out of her chair and into a holy ghost dance when she broke the news.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_antho...ry?id=14005609

I think they are all Nazi's .. this is like Nazi Germany with Hitler as the judge.

(Because it was time for Godwin's Law)

She's still getting sentenced. Also, lol u trollin
Sorry, do you even go here?
OJ comparisons should go die.
Saw this today. This would be an example of someone with enough at stake, a juror, that a physical reaction makes some sense. I do want to clarify what I said last night with a 'if you're having a physical reaction, it's because you're personalizing this story and need to take five big steps away from the keyboard, TV, and go spend time with family, loved ones, puppies and/or your favorite stuffed animal.'

/was tired last night, not sure if I made the sense I wanted to.

u r so wrong for this

Just saw a status: "it still amazes me that bartenders and servers can possibly go to jail if they over serve someone and they get hurt and Casey anthony can kill her daughter and get away with it!!"


I don't even.

LOL D FTW.

I think this article did a great job of discussing some relevant issues, from a global standpoint, about crime and public interest:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ll-james-crime

Casey Anthony juror Jennifer Ford said today that she and the other jurors cried and were "sick to our stomachs" after voting to acquit Casey Anthony of charges that she killed her 2-year-old daughter Caylee.

"I did not say she was innocent," said Ford, who had previously only been identified as juror number 3. "I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be."

The jury's jaw dropping not guilty verdict shocked court observers, but it was also a difficult moment for the panel, Ford said in an exclusive interview with ABC News. No one from the jury was willing to come out and talk to the media in the hours after the verdict.

"Everyone wonders why we didn't speak to the media right away," Ford said. "It was because we were sick to our stomach to get that verdict. We were crying and not just the women. It was emotional and we weren't ready. We wanted to do it with integrity and not contribute to the sensationalism of the trial."

Instead of murder, Casey Anthony, 25, was found guilty of four counts of lying to law enforcement and could be released from jail as early as Thursday."


I'm not an attorney, but shouldn't they have had a mistrial if they felt that way? I'm not asking this to be cute, but if they felt CA was guilty, but didn't feel that they could vote guilty, isn't a mistrial the way to go?

AFAIK the jury has to be in a deadlock in order for them to declare a mistrial. In this case, all if the jurors agreed there wasn't enough evidence to find her guilty.

What PIKA said. Just because they 'feel' guilty doesn't mean they agreed that there wasn't reasonable doubt. And obviously they thought that there was.

Besides a 'hung' jury, a mistrial would require some sort of tampering or impropriety with the jury, AFAIK.

Yeah, that was the word I was looking for.

Google "Burden of Proof" for your answer - that's how it manifests itself in reality. It's not enough to think somebody did it - you have to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they did.

Yep, they all agreed not enough evidence. No mistrial.



http://tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/f...sey-and-oj.jpg

I knew the internet wouldn't let me down.

^ going to hell for laughing at that

:D

LOVE!!! Yes, I know I'm going to a fiery inferno for laughing at that but whatever. It's been a crappy day & I needed a laugh.

Um, what magic are you rambling about? I never said anything about "the defense" unless police and detectives are part of "the defense." I'm not referring to defense attorneys if that's what you mean. If there isn't conclusive evidence that Casey did it than I would hope the investigation would continue to find who did. If the work thus far has been to tie Casey to the murder, then perhaps there are other avenues/suspects previously unexplored that could be now if that's possible. Of course, that's if they can even prove how Caylee died which is a long shot, I know. There's no need to be an sarcastic, know-it-all arse, Kevin. I already said I don't know a lot about this and am only stating what I'd like to see happen.

I know already knew the first bit (not happy about it but I understand now). Thank you for clarifying the bolded. I was pretty angry at hearing the verdict the first time, but I see why it had to happen. And iDied at those pix posted. GC never lets me down on that front.

The answer to today's Jumble is "Moo Point." I thought of this thread.

Thing is, the prosecution/investigators are probably fairly certain that they are right and that this is where the investigation led. If there were more suspects, then they might continue to proceed down those lines, but a conviction without new evidence would be all the more difficult for the media circus of this trial.

Her acquittal doesn't mean they didn't find the killer, it means they couldn't prove it. Nor does it mean that she IS the killer, but they may simply have no other significant evidence. A lawyer can better say how likely it is for someone else to be tried.

Lol I definitely meant I'd be there with ya