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DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781348)
So you want another session DrPhil with me?

Dr AKA_Monet...

LOL Does it have to be serious?

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781359)
Kinda weird graduating at the top of the class when you are the only one....hmmm?

This is where you need to research and gain some understanding.

That is a very old school of thought and someone as black as you are should know that.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781341)
You are choosing to engage discussing things with me. I choose to respond.

I speak freely no matter what media I use. I have been trained to show that parity wherever I go.

But you do bring up an interesting point, why is what you write brings more weight to the "conversation" than what you say publicly? I am attempting to research that concept myself...

I am not a communications expert. No way, no how...

And that's just me as a person... People that have gotten to know me personally from online media have made their own determinations... You would have to ask them. Some people will NEVER know me personally or otherwise. So they choose to believe whatever they want. So what?

Please expound if I did not answer your question. Thanks.

Yeah, I think everyone here is a willing participant and that's why we talk about what we talk about. In real life, it can be harder not to put people on the spot.

I talk pretty freely too, but I think I occasionally think before I speak more in real life about how what I say may permanently affect my relationships with other people. It matters more to me in real life that a person has become upset or angry than it matters here. I care about other people's comfort; on GreekChat, I assume that if you're in the news and politics forum, you like to mix it up.

There's also a matter of risk that exist when we talk about race or class or gender in real life. Some people are interested in classifying others and treating them differently based on that classification. Here, there are very few consequences.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781363)
This is where you need to research and gain some understanding.

That is a very old school of thought and someone as black as you are should know that.

sorry, not down for turning into an insecure nut job like you.

You are one piece of work I refuse to research.

Next thing I know, I will just let any old thing slide and be just as passive and submissive.

No thanks.

VandalSquirrel 02-18-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1781355)
Okay first of all, my mom HATED jello salad with marshmmallows so i NEVER had it growing up. I am so deprived. :(

Secondly, I'm glad to hear that people are aware of such things as I bolded -- I never assumed that people who were not minorities ever thought about it like that.

I will totally make you Jello salad with all kinds of stuff in it.

The thing you've bolded; important step for people who are involved in multicultural/ethnic/economic etc. situations. Just because one person who identifies with a group says or does something, doesn't mean all people who are also self identifying feel, act, or think the same way. I've seen some well intentioned, yet unsavvy people make some situations pretty awkward by saying something that may be fine with certain people, and not others.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781366)
sorry, not down for turning into an insecure nut job like you.

You are one piece of work I refuse to research.

Next thing I know, I will just let any old thing slide and be just as passive and submissive.

No thanks.

Is this idiot serious?

He wants to be butthurt about Travis the Chimp in a political cartoon but doesn't even know the school of thought I'm referencing? Wow.

AKA_Monet 02-18-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781361)
LOL Does it have to be serious?

Well, that means to me you are choosing to engage in a conversation with me. What that means to me is you are choosing to have another session with me, DrPhil...

We are NOT friends or buddies. I do not trust you. So, any interaction I have with you is serious...

That is how I "roll"...

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781365)

I talk pretty freely too, but I think I occasionally think before I speak more in real life about how what I say may permanently affect my relationships with other people. It matters more to me in real life that a person has become upset or angry than it matters here. I care about other people's comfort; on GreekChat, I assume that if you're in the news and politics forum, you like to mix it up.

There's also a matter of risk that exist when we talk about race or class or gender in real life. Some people are interested in classifying others and treating them differently based on that classification. Here, there are very few consequences.

No slight to you but I would like to believe that you think before you say anything regardless of the medium.

I don't think there is that much difference on how some feel whether in real life on on the boards.

There is always risk but if you are willing to take it depends on what reward you are looking for in the final outcome...agreed?

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781370)
Well, that means to me you are choosing to engage in a conversation with me. What that means to me is you are choosing to have another session with me, DrPhil...

We are NOT friends or buddies. I do not trust you. So, any interaction I have with you is serious...

That is how I "roll"...

LOL

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781368)
Is this idiot serious?

He wants to be butthurt about Travis the Chimp in a political cartoon but doesn't even know the school of thought I'm referencing? Wow.

Because I don't give a fuck about you...how many times I have to tell you that you don't excite me enough to care about your 'train' of thought?

Not buying what you are selling.

and who is the idiot that continues addressing me?

That's what it's all about for you huh?

"me....me.....me...."

"Ooooh look at me...I am on a higher plane of thought than the rest of you.."

"Ooooo....look at me...I am nothing like the rest of you..."

If I cut you, you will bleed red just like me.

You aren't special so stop trying.

**CLICK**

UGAalum94 02-19-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1781355)
Okay first of all, my mom HATED jello salad with marshmmallows so i NEVER had it growing up. I am so deprived. :(

Secondly, I'm glad to hear that people are aware of such things as I bolded -- I never assumed that people who were not minorities ever thought about it like that.

Well, I wasn't always aware of it, but I think that if you teach, you think a lot about your obligation to your students and then you generalize.

AKA_Monet 02-19-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781365)
Yeah, I think everyone here is a willing participant and that's why we talk about what we talk about. In real life, it can be harder not to put people on the spot.

I talk pretty freely too, but I think I occasionally think before I speak more in real life about how what I say may permanently affect my relationships with other people. It matters more to me in real life that a person has become upset or angry than it matters here. I care about other people's comfort; on GreekChat, I assume that if you're in the news and politics forum, you like to mix it up.

There's also a matter of risk that exist when we talk about race or class or gender in real life. Some people are interested in classifying others and treating them differently based on that classification. Here, there are very few consequences.

Describe to me what you mean by thinking before one speaks in real life?

I do not share your sentiments about the news and politics forum.

Be mindful of what you say on the internet, more often than not, it comes to bite you when you least expect it...

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781374)
Because I don't give a fuck about you...how many times I have to tell you that you don't excite me enough to care about your 'train' of thought?

This isn't about ME, idiot. You want this to be emotional and personal. It isn't.

Once again, be able to express an opinion without being attached to the opinion. If you don't want to familiarize yourself with the school or thought because you can't remove ME from it then you will forever be the ignorant, angry dude who talks out of his ass about race. :)

AKA_Monet 02-19-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781372)
LOL

What is it that you find so "laugh out loud" funny? Share?

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781379)
This isn't about ME, idiot. You want this to be emotional and personal. It isn't.

Once again, be able to express an opinion without being attached to the opinion. If you don't want to familiarize yourself with the school or thought because you can't remove ME from it then you will forever be the ignorant, angry dude who talks out of his ass about race. :)

It IS about you.

Because you are still talking to me. And you want me to understand your 'train'.

WHOOO WHOOOOT

Hop on board!

Awwww...I guess Im an angry idiot because I can't be heartless like you...poor me.

UGAalum94 02-19-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781371)
No slight to you but I would like to believe that you think before you say anything regardless of the medium.

I don't think there is that much difference on how some feel whether in real life on on the boards.

There is always risk but if you are willing to take it depends on what reward you are looking for in the final outcome...agreed?

Maybe there shouldn't be, but for me there is. If we worked together, and you were really worked up about that cartoon, I'd point out what I thought it was referring to one time, and then, your emotional intensity would carry the day. It wouldn't be worth it to me to upset you more by continuing to talk about it and disagree.

I wouldn't pretend that I agreed, but I'd try to find common ground to validate you as a person (maybe by acknowledging one of the intentional monkey comparisons) vs. staying with the seemingly irrational to me political or topical point.

I think I'm a much more agreeable person in real life than I am here, but then, I'd almost have to be.

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781380)
What is it that you find so "laugh out loud" funny? Share?

Your tangent. I just thought the "choose to respond" part of that post was funny because it was so technical. ;)

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781381)
It IS about you.

To you. Get over me. ;)

deepimpact2 02-19-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781117)
I can't subscribe to that theory for 2 reasons:

1. The already mentioned history of the relationship with Blacks and monkeys as a historical context in this country

2. The closeness of the related events surrounding the creation of the cartoon.

If the chimpanzee wasn't shot then the theory would have a 1/2 a chance of standing...but...you still have #1 to contend with in relation to the POTUS who signed the bill.

Well said. As usual certain people around here WILL find a way to excuse what took place. It is quite obvious to anyone with a brain that the cartoon was a racist jab at Obama. Those who share the sentiment expressed in the cartoon will attempt to make it seem as though anyone who has issue with it is being overly sensitive and/or paranoid. :rolleyes:

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781385)
Maybe there shouldn't be, but for me there is. If we worked together, and you were really worked up about that cartoon, I'd point out what I thought it was referring to one time, and then, your emotional intensity would carry the day. It wouldn't be worth it to me to upset you more by continuing to talk about it and disagree.

I wouldn't pretend that I agreed, but I'd try to find common ground to validate you as a person (maybe by acknowledging one of the intentional monkey comparisons) vs. staying with the seemingly irrational to me political or topical point.

I think I'm a much more agreeable person in real life than I am here, but then, I'd almost have to be.

Then again, that would depend on what kind of associates we are right?

How well you knew me and so on.

And I am pretty much the same way...we could talk about it (in real time) make our points and move on and probably come to an amicable POV and continue...here is the kicker...what about beyond work?

agzg 02-19-2009 12:12 AM

This thread makes me think of two things, both of which were my grandfather's mottoes.

1. "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one."

2. "Why are there so many horses' asses in the world and so few horses?"

Awww Grandpa Big Mike. What a great guy.

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781387)
To you. Get over me. ;)

I'm past you. You keep trying.

AKA_Monet 02-19-2009 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781386)
Your tangent. I just thought the "choose to respond" part of that post was funny because it was so technical. ;)

What kind of tangent you think I was making? And should there be something wrong with using the language I am accustomed to using in my daily life? Not sure I understand what the "eye winking" is about...

UGAalum94 02-19-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781377)
Describe to me what you mean by thinking before one speaks in real life?

I do not share your sentiments about the news and politics forum.

Be mindful of what you say on the internet, more often than not, it comes to bite you when you least expect it...


(I'm using generic "you" here)
If you were someone I saw everyday, especially if you were someone that I saw everyday and liked, I wouldn't jump as readily to criticize your political or social opinions, especially without more regard for how I expressed my disagreement.

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I don't think I've ever said anything I'd be completely ashamed of online or anything (well, if I thought long enough, I'm sure I could think of something), but sometimes I post without considering things as much as I would if I were sending out a neighborhood newsletter.

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781394)
What kind of tangent you think I was making? And should there be something wrong with using the language I am accustomed to using in my daily life? Not sure I understand what the "eye winking" is about...

a nervous twitch

or twit.

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781394)
What kind of tangent you think I was making? And should there be something wrong with using the language I am accustomed to using in my daily life? Not sure I understand what the "eye winking" is about...

Okay.

I'm Sarah Palin.

cheerfulgreek 02-19-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781392)
This thread makes me think of two things, both of which were my grandfather's mottoes.

1. "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one."

2. "Why are there so many horses' asses in the world and so few horses?"

Awww Grandpa Big Mike. What a great guy.

Kind of reminds me of the Pied Piper. But then again most of greekchat reminds me of him. Wasn't he the one the mice followed?

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781396)
(I'm using generic "you" here)
If you were someone I saw everyday, especially if you were someone that I saw everyday and liked, I wouldn't jump as readily to criticize your political or social opinions, especially without more regard for how I expressed my disagreement.

Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I don't think I've ever said anything I'd be completely ashamed of online or anything (well, if I thought long enough, I'm sure I could think of something), but sometimes I post without considering things as much as I would if I were sending out a neighborhood newsletter.

Therein lies possibly the biggest difference in face to face interactions vs non face to face. :D

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781397)
a nervous twitch

or twit.

Are you over me or do you keep trying? ;)

agzg 02-19-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781396)
Since this forum exists for us to talk and debate about stuff, I assume that people are interested in debate and might even enjoy disagreement for the sake of teasing out and strengthening their own opinions.

I can think of a few times where the discourse between you and I has forced me to strengthen my argument, especially using my educational background.

I don't think any of those threads have involved the use of "sweetheart," "bitch please," or "go back and research it." And I know they haven't involved the use of "get over it."

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781399)
Okay.

I'm Sarah Palin.

on which point?

The twitch or the twit?

agzg 02-19-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1781400)
Kind of reminds me of the Pied Piper. But then again most of greekchat reminds me of him. Wasn't he the one the mice followed?

The Pied Piper talked about assholes and horses asses????

Yes, the mice followed him. Or the children? Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, too.

I do know that St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland, does that help?

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781406)
on which point?

The twitch or the twit?

Are you over me or do you keep trying? ;)

UGAalum94 02-19-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781391)
Then again, that would depend on what kind of associates we are right?

How well you knew me and so on.

And I am pretty much the same way...we could talk about it (in real time) make our points and move on and probably come to an amicable POV and continue...here is the kicker...what about beyond work?

It would be the same beyond work, except that my social universe is 75-85 percent based on work. And I think Holder's take is pretty accurate that most of us are pretty segregated in our purely social lives. Not deliberately or consciously, for most of us, but it works out that way.

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781409)
Are you over me or do you keep trying? ;)

now you are repeating yourself

Hit the reset button

DrPhil 02-19-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781411)
now you are repeating yourself

Hit the reset button

Then get over me and stop trying. ;)

UGAalum94 02-19-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781404)
I can think of a few times where the discourse between you and I has forced me to strengthen my argument, especially using my educational background.

I don't think any of those threads have involved the use of "sweetheart," "bitch please," or "go back and research it." And I know they haven't involved the use of "get over it."

I feel the same way, and that's why I come back for more.

I confess that I've called DS, "baby," I think, or something kind of like it. I think it was in the thread where he posted pictures of himself before the inauguration.

I think it upset him pretty badly.

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781410)
It would be the same beyond work, except that my social universe is 75-85 percent based on work. And I think Holder's take is pretty accurate that most of us are pretty segregated in our purely social lives. Not deliberately or consciously, for most of us, but it works out that way.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am shocked that we agree on that.

Many of the commentators were taken aback by his statement.

cheerfulgreek 02-19-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781408)
The Pied Piper talked about assholes and horses asses????

Yes, the mice followed him.

You didn't get it, but I'm sure someone on here did or will....eventually.:p

DaemonSeid 02-19-2009 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781414)
I feel the same way, and that's why I come back for more.

I confess that I've called DS, "baby," I think, or something kind of like it. I think it was in the thread where he posted pictures of himself before the inauguration.

I think it upset him pretty badly.

it completely destroyed my self esteem....LOL


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