No one is proud that this still happens on campuses but it does and unfortunately it is going to take a top group on a campus with enough guts to say "enough" and break this cycle. It's called follow the leader.

Holy effing crap EW. And to think I was giving you a little credit in this thread because, like it or not, men do play a more important role then we'd like to admit in the recruitment process.

But bringing the thread back to race? Either (A) southern greeks truly are all racist elitists (Like EW) or (B) southern greeks need to stop pledging loud-mouthed racist elitists like you in order to evolve into what brotherhood and sisterhood is supposed to stand for.

I'm all for internet-anonymity most of the time, but when it allows a racist pig like EW to feel comfortable enough to share his views about membership recruitment in order to WARN women that admitting minorities could be the downfall of their chapter... that's where I tend to draw the line. At some point, sharing your out-dated opinions becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and if you really cared about being a part of society that thought of people in terms other than race, you'd keep these thoughts to yourself and stand up to the racist bastards around you who still think it is okay to judge others based on their race.

Wow. What years was she active? Pretty progressive for an Arkansas chapter.

I agree. It is just too bad that too many guys like EW are following instead of leading.

So much for race being a card that doesn't matter as long as people are of a certain background and uphold certain values and standards. :)

I'm asking this, seriously,

Who is Beyonce Knowles?

I don't watch many movies, most of it's Hollywood trash.

What the hell are you talking about?

To my knowledge, there aren't any girls of race in the Greek system. They made this decision long before I went to the University of Arkansas, the sorority fell apart then, and hasn't been good since I've been on campus. They also haven't pledge any minorities since...I assume. I don't hang out with that sorority because it's rare to see one on campus, much less at a party.

So much for arguing intelligently instead of cheap shots...

I'm not in a sorority, obviously. I wasn't at the University at the time. She was not of a good background, which was part of the reason the sorority argued over her for so long.

^^ are you for real?!

ETA: Why not just wikipedia her so you can realize you've been on a different planet for the last 5-10 years.

I thought he was just giving an account of what happened but his commentary does seem like he's justifying it all.

This makes his comments in that locked "south" thread ironic. However, I hope this thread doesn't suffer the same fate. :)

The attitude I got from his threads is that a chapter that made "bad" recruitment decisions (which he's now come out and said were pledging minorities) deserved the downfall that was a result. If he wants to clarify his posts, I'll hear it... but I think if you re-read his posts you'll see that he does not think that the status quo should change at all. In fact, I think he praises it in the guise of "tradition."

//hijack// (Not that this whole thread is not about to be completely hijacked, doused in flames, and left burning on the side of the road.)//

I am begging all GCers not to judge all people who are from Arkansas, or like me went to school in Arkansas, by this person. Most of us are fairly nice people who live in the 21st Century, read newspapers, and know that there is a whole wide world beyond our own backyards.

Thank you.

If that is true, he is officially a liar based on what he typed to me in that other thread.

Of course it might be a misunderstanding.

If you had a brain in your head, you would have said "she came from a really trashy background" and left it at that - without bringing race into the picture.

No...this I would think is the downfall..

Poor traditions and poor connections. Because it was a fairly young chapter (relatively...as it's probably older than most of y'alls chapters) it didn't have the tradition or connections. It made poor rush decisions previous as they were always known for being not as good...but they had the numbers to maintain. After this decision, which obviously affected the fraternities...and the fraternities responded, it went down hill from there. Now it survives on the fact that somewhere between 700-800 girls go through Arkansas rush every year.

I'm not googling to see who Beyonce Knowles...I'd rather not know. I hate MTV.

First, I'm assuming by "girls of race" you're referring to minority women. Race =/= Black or whatever it is you think it means.

Second, maybe if people like you said "hey, this isn't tradition, this is wrong and I'm going to support sororities that pledge diverse women as a positive thing" then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

To everyone else: has EW said that he is a current college student? Because I am finding it almost unbelievable that a 18-22 year old in this country could not know who Beyonce is. I'm guessing you would have to never watch any TV, including the news, or any magazines, or talk to anyone who is at all clued in to the media.