Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1320488)

Then you don't really disagree with me.

Originally Posted by MysticCat81 (Post 1320429)

So when Chi Phi accepted these guys as pledges, the chapter assumed responsibility for every thing any pledge does? Remarkable.

From the MOMENT these guys became probationary MEMBERS, they became one of the many representatives of that chapter. It's not my fault that they weren't mindful of their actions even they knew that OTHERS knew that they were associated with the UGA chapter of Chi Phi.

If two underage, probationary members of your chapter are caught drinking in their dorm rooms or on the sidewalk, should your whole chapter be held accountable and punished?

I'd love to answer this, but to be honest, this little scenario you just layed down would never take place.

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1320469)

Not so long ago, this statement was not true. I'm not sure it's even true today. There are some folks who think racism is perfectly alright, that their race is superior to the other(s), etc. They might not call it racism, but "white supremacy," or folks that believe in the melanin theory, etc.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan, no matter how you look at it, racism is wrong. LOL.

Okay, so you think that the group rallying for abortion rights ought to be punished for their views if they offend others? Because if you say you "never said that," then you must be supportive of the idea of punishing ANY offensive speach. The trouble with that is that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. Where do you want to draw the line? Would you punish Christians rallying against homosexual rights? Or would you punish homosexuals rallying against Christians? Israelis protesting terrorist activities? Or would you punish Palestinian students for protesting the Israeli occupation?

Wow, you're really putting ALOT of words in my mouth. Stop it.

You don't seem to mind punishing some speach, so which speach is okay, and which isn't? Are you the one who gets to decide this? Also, what makes you think that this is racism? The picture is of a black woman. So what? Are all pictures of black women racist?

We're going to throw out this Racism ish, it's really not fitting well in this arguement. To whom ever brought it up, shame on you. Anyways, I believe the reason why some black women were offended by what the pledges was because it looks like they are flat out degraded black women. Why not show naken pictures white, asian, hispanic, or middle eastern women too? True the women in the photographs degraded themselves by being in the pictures but that's another whole issue. Why just black women? IF they were offended they have every right to be. And still I say, what they did was inappropriate. Had they shown pictures of naked women of other races it still would be inappropriate and they still should face reprocutions(sp). Should the whole chapter be punished? No, but they will need to answer for these guys and they cleary did and are cooperating with the administration. If it was found that the chapter was behind this then, yea, they should be punished. Period.


What type of 'actions' would you have take place? I appreciate that you are offended, but besides you, who should care about your being offended? Why Chi Phi? Why not also punish the French Club if these guys are members of that as well?

Oh, I'm not offended. Just bored. Anyways, sactions are always a good start. Now, kicking folks off the yard is harsh. But, sending a simple message saying that some actions are just unacceptable is ok to me. You don't have to suspend chapters for incidents like that.
I don't mean to sound harsh. I appreciate your responses.

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl (Post 1320418)

What do you mean by this?

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320559)

I feel like I'm in Intro to Political Science.

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl (Post 1320567)

Hold up, you don't have to get smart with me. I just asked a question. You need to calm your ass down just a tad, for real. I asked that because I thought that's what we WERE talking about.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320579)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiit a minute now. I was actually being HONEST. It went from Racism and Sexism into Feminism. I think YOU need to calm down "just a tad", for real. Real talk, if I was going to get smart with you, I would have said something extremely "ignorant".

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1320490)

We're actually still "on" (racial and) gendered stereotypes.

Forest through the trees, and all that good stuff.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320364)

The fact that YOU even said something....

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320546)

I'd love to answer this, but to be honest, this little scenario you just layed down would never take place.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320557)

Should the whole chapter be punished? No, but they will need to answer for these guys and they cleary did and are cooperating with the administration. If it was found that the chapter was behind this then, yea, they should be punished. Period.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1319927)

No, [removing the chapter] would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1319956)

When an organization does something truly STUPID and IGNORANT, and the administration takes notice of this, they have to do something about it.

Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1320592)

Right, so basically you didn't answer the question. What does it being at UGA have anything to do with it? I hope you aren't insinuating that UGA is some backwoods redneck school(you said this. not me.), because if thats the case, you might head to the library and do some research.

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple (Post 1320589)

And reason why you quoted her was because.....? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by MysticCat81 (Post 1320593)

Translation: I would answer that, but it might show a lack of consistency and logic in what I have already said, so I think I'll just dodge the question altogether.


C'mon. If you say the UGA chapter of Chi Phi should be held accountable for the actions of their pledges, then would you also say that your chapter be held responsible for the actions of your probationary members? Saying, "it would never take place" is simply a dodge.

It's not a dodge. Just know that it would not happen. If it did, then yea, we would have to answer for them. Now regarding drinking, nah. That's an individual thing I believe. If they get caught and none of us are involved, then thats on them. We just have to watch who we choose as our potential members ALOT more closely. But, like I said, that scenario would not happen. Just know that.

And interesting that you would say this:

I think most of us would agree with this.

But earlier, when many of us were asking why the entire chapter should be punished unless it could be shown that the chapter itself was behind what these guys did, you seemed quite willing to condemn the whole chapter simply because a few pledges "weren't mindful of their actions even they knew that OTHERS knew that they were associated with the UGA chapter of Chi Phi."



So which is it? Should the chapter be punished only if the investigation shows the chapter was behind the pledges' actions, or should the chapter be punished regardless because it "represents ignorance"?

No, they need to answer to the 'powers that be' regardless. If found that they are behind the stupidity then, yes. The chapter should be punished.

And by the way, I agree with you that racism is always wrong. I imagine Kevin does, too. But he's exactly right -- there are people who don't agree with the three of us on that. There are even people who think racism is the will of God. Kind of like how many people think abortion is always wrong and against the will of God, but others disagree with them.

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl (Post 1320606)

*SIGH* Here you go, still getting smart. I'm not the arguing type. I thought if you saw it said a different way, you might understand what I was saying, that's all. Don't waste your time getting hyped up over what I type. Finish arguing with the rest of GC.