Valkyrie.. exactly how many times have you told someone that their opinion was irrelevant today? You keep referencing the OP and keep dragging it further and further away.

I Don't Know HOW MORE NON-CONFRONTATIONAL I CAN MAKE MY COMMENTS FOR YOU TO GET IT

/Thank you decider-of-relevancy

I love guys like that. Don't get wasted so actually remember things, didn't sleep with half the campus!!! I don't think it is lame at all.

I don't know. How many times have I?

ALSO, TYPING IN ALL CAPS TOTALLY MAKES YOU COME OFF AS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL THAN YOU DID BEFORE.

Nobody used this exact tone - some noted, in effect, that if a 21 yr old male does not do those things, he's not right for THEM . . . but, again, I'm sure you're more than accepting of people sharing their views, right? Since you're noting that's what the OP is doing, and all . . .

Agreed - and no one has done either, luckily.

This is similar to what I was noting before - both about your posts, and OP's. I'm not claiming anyone is 'personalizing' anything - I don't really even know what that means, and I'm a pretty smart guy - but instead, I'll note that posters are 'defending' their views (not that you're being defensive, just that you're creating a defensible position), when no one (except the OP) is asking or forcing them to. (Also - kudos to the OP for being about as level about these inquiries as possible.)

Non-drinkers may or may not get preached to . . . you may or may not get preached to . . . you may or may not do the preaching. I'm not quite sure what it all means, but I'm pretty sure that arguing in tautologies isn't really productive here, since it seems to be leading to a communication gap whereby you think you're not being confrontational, but you're confronting views and opinions that aren't really being expressed or imposed.

:rolleyes:

Sometimes yelling is the only way to get one's point across. Feel free to continue and get upset over what I'm not saying valkyrie

I get what you're saying KSig RC, and though no one said exactly that, it was sort of implied. My only real peeve is when people assume that by not drinking or whatever you're judging them and thus whatever you say to them is preaching.

Wine&SilverBlue said it perfectly, you should be looking at the reasons.

Valkyrie will continue to ignore the fact that I'm only trying to make one simple statement.

/Several times actually.

The thing is, no one said that. We NEVER said "[OP], you are judging us". What we DID say was that it is possible for someone to be judgmental if they encounter a person who doesn't agree with their beliefs and this is why WE would probably pass on a guy with those values. People have said over and over that the OP asked a question and we responded as to what WE would think about a guy like one in the hypothetical presented, but you don't seem to be getting that part of it.

Please let me know which of the many statements you've made in this thread you're referring to here. I would be happy to disregard all of your other statements in this thread.

Valk, would you be willing to shake hands and walk away from this? This is just stupid fighting about nothing :)

These two sentences are beautiful when juxtaposed, and form the essence of what I'm trying to convey here - these two things, together, can be flipped the other direction too, and may help you to understand why we're having the shit show in this thread.

I agree completely, and that's why I said that BOTH sides felt preached to.

Apparently that's flame-worthy.

Also see my above post. I don't really want to fight over something so silly.

Aiight, but I might feel compelled to pitch at you every time we encounter each other from now until the end of time. Just kidding! ;)

[/obscure baseball joke]

WOW! So much has been said today in my absence...honestly, I didn't want things to end up this way.

BUT personally, I have to agree with the majority of what Drolefille has been saying. At times some people did come off as really defensive when all I did was simply ask questions and in my opinion by saying you wouldn't want to be involved with someone who participates in the activities that I listed, is kinda imply that you felt these are things that you feel people should do at that age.

To have these as long term standards for a long term relationship...would you consider not dating someone because they don't drink and are waiting to have sex superficial? If not, why?

Drolefille,

Please let it go. Pretty please. I do understand your point. However, when you keep emphasizing or arguing it, then it negates your 'I'm not defensive' or 'I'm not taking it personally' stance.

I'm not trying to be rude when I say this but, If it bothers you that much then simply don't post in this thread anymore.

So when u asked your question, you already had an opinion formed about the answers that u were going to receive? I mean you were either going to get a 'yes, I'd want to date you." or a "no, I wouldn't want to date you.", but you already knew how u felt about the inevitable answers. What was your true intent?