This thread was tired from the begining......;)

Then we've come full circle.

This is GC, are you surprised? :p :D

McCoyred, how is the siggy technically incorrect?

SC

1) Since there were Black Greek fraternities prior to 1908 (even prior to 1906), it stands to reason that there could have been other Black Greek sororities also. I don't know for a fact though.

2) While AKA was the first NPHC sorority and may have had some influence on the founders of the other three, there are other organizations outside of the NPHC that may have been founded without the influence of any of the D4. Again, I don't know that for a fact.

Maybe I should qualify my earlier statement and say that it COULD be incorrect since both the scenarios presented above are well within the realm of possibility. ;)

I agree with you. These were my thoughts too about the siggy, but I don't know of any other sororities that were founded before 1906. The only fraternity that I can think of is Sigma Pi Phi, also called the Boule', if I remember correctly.

I think another aspect to your #2 statement is that the four sororities in the D9 chose to come together under the same umbrella council, and not necessarily that AKA was the first that 'influenced' the founding of the other three, per se. Like you said, there are other BGL-sororities that are not associated with NPHC. Oh, 1933 copy of Baird's Manual, where are you when we need you?

I've never seen any that specifically use the name of another organization (as is the case here), and in NPCville people wear any color or pattern they please so that wouldn't be an issue either. I see the shirts, think "wtf?", and keep on. Honestly though I have more problems with the shirts some of the men wear that are sexist and degrading to women. They are often very disgusting and offensive, and the last one I saw also had grammatical and spelling errors. In that case I didn't know if it was college students without a grasp of basic English that gave me a case of the vapors, or the way they described women's genitalia. Either way it was inappropriate for the event at hand.

Also, I think if just one person is wearing a shirt it is a different situation than if a whole group is wearing a shirt with the intent to diss. One person's poor judgment is obvious, but if done as a group I'd find it more questionable.

But it is still different than the shirts.

Yes. I was not referring to the shirt in this comment. Just exploring the idea / possibility that AKA may or may not have been the first HBGL-sorority, unless we have absolute proof otherwise. (That is why I refered to Baird's Manual. The early editions seemed to be very comprehensive in terms of the origins and aspects of all known GLOs in the US at the time of the publishing date, i.e, 1933 and earlier editions.) People like to think that APhiA was the first HBGL-fraternity, but like I said, I think Sigma Pi Phi (Boule') was founded a few years before 1906 (I could be wrong) and they are not part of the NPHC, yet they were / are considered a Black fraternity. I was just acknowledging too that there are HBGLOs that exist outside the NPHC that may or not have been influenced by the members of the NPHC. Just trying to be a little philosophical......

It's just that I never saw the NPC shirts as being the way you described. I guess I was never influenced by them. But, given your perspective, I can see how you may feel about them. That is why I said 'food for thought'. You gave me a different way of thinking about them.

ETA: I'm always amazed at how deep people read into what I say. Really, it's not that deep. Trust me. I read 'MAD' magazine. I've never gotten deeper than that.

Not that I have to explain my signature but since it is the "hot topic" of today.

Genesis to me was simply another way of saying 1st. I can go and change it and make it say Alpha Kappa Alpha the 1st of all Black College Greek Sororities (but I'm not).
And like I mentioned earlier it comes from a chant....besides until proven we were the first.

No need to go and do that. :) And you (AKA) probably are the first HBGL-sorority. I was just extending an *idea* of a possibility. I was not trying to imply fact, unless of course it can be proven. :p

It's just that the very early editions of Baird's Manual of Greek Letter Organizations cataloged what was suppose to be all of the known GLOs at the time of publishing, such as the 1933 edition and so forth. If I have time to get over to a library this weekend I'll look up the info on the HBGLOs in Baird's. Hopefully the early edition copies are still on the shelf.

:confused: .................

*So OPEN and BLATANTLY putting on pink and green cape*

Soror, WE (AKA) are ALWAYS a hot topic. Folks are jocking your siggy so hard that they are making up theories trying to change history and isht. LOL.

Hmmmm. Still trying to see the comparison of Country Gurl's siggy to the SGRho's shirt. Is saying you are the first of something a diss to the others? I think not. Were the use of the other orgs' color done respectfully? I think so. Did the siggy involve the misuse of the other orgs' symbols. No not at all.

So all I can say is RLH.