Why???

You said that you had NPC and NIC Greeks on your exec board in APO...which did they pledge first?

And to valkyrie, without getting into voluminous detail, not everyone was excited that APO went co-ed. Some members who are not excited show their displeasure by refusing to call women "brothers." I know that younger chapters may not have any clue of that, but for me, being called a "sister" would be offensive because in this context, it would imply that I am thought of as lesser because of my sex. This my personal opinion and just the tip of the iceberg - if you have a couple hours you can go check out some of the threads in the APO forum.

At FSU APO is co-ed but at FAMU it isn't, and there is Gamma Sigma Sigma over there. Somebody recently mentioned that they wanted to bring GSS to FSU while many people in APO feel like it is redundant, seeing as it is co-ed already (it would make sense if it wasn't integrated, but it is). Any thoughts?

To those Brothers I would ask if there is really such a thing as redundant community service?

Gamma Sigma Sigma is a unique organization that can stand on its own merits independent of Alpha Phi Omega. I KNOW that GSS can thrive on campuses where there is already a coed APO chapter. They are different enough to make it work.

Just cos sometimes I feel like being a 'trouble maker'.


I too am in a Fraternity. So are many NPC women... few of us are in actual sororities. We are NPC organizations because we only admit women.

I also am in a sorority that admits men due to Title IX (whether or not I agree with that is not important here) our brothers admit women for the same reason.

Oh well. Atleast this thread gives us some drama to look over.

In my TBS chapter, and I assume - in most, we allow our male members to choose what they are called - they can be called sisters, members, brothers - but most choose the term "Mister Sister".

But you asked about APO... I just wanted to share because I like the term Mister Sister.

This is the case at Georgia Tech, except with Omega Phi Alpha instead of GSS. It's the same sort of situation as Senusret said... even though OPA and APO come from the same roots, they are two very different organizations. It's completely possible for a co-ed APO and a all-female OPA/GSS to exist on the same campus (we actually do a couple of projects a year with APO). That's not to say that there hasn't been drama between the two organizations, but both are able to co-exist and work together in the name of service.

Basically, the two orgs are different enough that it's easy for them to co-exist. We've had members of APO drop out and become OPhiAs, and vice versa. It just depends on the style of service and leadership that a particular person is looking for.

Mixers
 

I agree that APO should not be a member of the IFC. IFC contains certain organizations, just as NPC and NPHC do. APO is not one of them, but an inter-Greek Council would be a great place for them, as they should be represented if they choose to be.

Haven't read this whole thread, but APO could always mix with two groups at once, a sorority and a fraternity. Then everybody would be happy, no short end of the stick. :D

There are Two Seperate Words that should be considered Here!

Service and Social.

As ErikC and I said in Posts, APO was started under the Pricnples of Boy Scouts of America.

It was later Changed to become a Mixed Organization such as My Chapter.

But, there is still a difference. Yes, One from a Service Organization can and many times does join a Social Organization and vice versa.

Bob London who is Nat. Director of APO is a LXA!

But for a College to Change and go against National Organizatins is uncalled for.:confused:

Each has its Rules and Regulations. And that My fellow Greeks is not any Colleges business to interdict into. Theyb Do Not Make Our National Polocies!!

Err...ummm...can you really trust a school that has/had PLEDGED as required reading for a basic comp course?

http://users.rowan.edu/~giampalmi/CCI/CCI04sylb.pdf

That would be a NO.

And to think, my original statements were just suppositions. I more firmly believe them now.

WOW

i can't even comment except to say that once again preciousjenni caught someone (the admin) by doing her research. Jackiepie...please please don't take us in a way that is against you specifically...but your administration does NOT have the best interest of the socials at your school at heart. I also wonder if the other orgs felt pressured to have an APO as prez for fear of being kicked off campus...

Now I have soooo many questions.

Well, I haven't read the book but it would give a lot of discussion material for a classroom setting........

But so would probably a lot of other books.

33 girl. I said they were on my eboard for IFC. NOT APO. most people won't take any of our members because they view us as a viable organization on campus.

I actually got the tip from someone else ;) but found the evidence personally.

Rocketgirl, I'm not taking this personally but I can't seem to stress enough that it was an open election. I ran against other people, 4 to be exact.People were nominated. They didn't have to vote for me. The DoS didn't even know I was running till after I got elected. He leaves that type of business to us. More than 50% of 9 of the fraternities on campus's reps elected Me.If each org. has 2 people as reps, and I got over 50%, they had 2 weeks between nominations and elections..they must have just cared as to who would do the best job and not what letters i wear across my chest.

As for pledged that was an english department choice. not a DoS. Some idiot thought that it was a good way of showing college life. The greeks on my campus have been fighting it, but honestly..it hasn't caused us a problem. We go to the comp classes reading and talk about how the book is not truely accurate. Greek Membership is up since it's been required so maybe they are just reading the cliffnotes. ;)