Hookers need Dairy Queen too you know!

No, I'm being serious. Have you ever really looked at bums in detail? A lot of them have cellphones. How in the hell are you going to be homeless and yet have a cellphone? This brings into play my theory of how I think the government should punish poor people for being poor. Instead of punishing the wealthy with more taxes to help the poor, how about punishing the poor people for a change? That would solve a lot of problems.

The way I see things...poor people wouldn't be poor anymore if you took away their cellphones. If you're poor you shouldn't be allowed to have a cellphone. That would take a lot of people off of food stamps and welfare. There are tons of people out there who are on welfare and foodstamps but meanwhile they're racking up $300+ a month cellphone bills. Taking away their cellphones would also cut down on drug deals. Drug dealers won't pay for house lines because using them is too risky. If people can't get in touch with their drug dealers then they can't get any drugs.....thus eliminating more homeless people/crack addicts on the streets due to drug addiction sucking the life out of them.

I might seem insensitive, but you know I'm on to something.

Actually, they ARE doing something wrong. They're putting a strain on our economy.



Funny story related to yours: When I go to the beach on the weekends and my girl and I are laying out we see this homeless guy everytime walking around with a boombox on his shoulder playing some kind of music. The guy is obviously all cracked out. The creepy thing is when he just stands above women playing his music and everyone in the vicinity starts laughing at him or yelling at him to get the fuck on. It so funny because all the women at the beach who are laying out start covering up when they hear his tunes coming in the distance. I've always wondered how in the hell he always has batteries that work if he doesnt have any money.

Yea, and healthy people need McDonald's. :D

No, I knew you were being serious, but too bad our society doesnt work like that. Without a cell phone to be contacted with, how is he to get a job?!? A bum is allowed to buy a cell phone if he wants to. That is totally his porogative. Does that make him a criminal? I dont think so. Secondly, there are actually some hard-working struggling good and honest families out there who are poor but just can not cut a break. Should they go in jail. To sound like an absolute CHEESE BALL, look at it as a huge fraternity: the fraternity of the human race. When one guy is down, you reach out your hand and you pick him up. You all work as one. You dont excile the guy from your chapter cause he is down on his luck, do you? ok, kind of a bad point, but I dont think that imprisoning the hobos is a good idea. I think they need a shower and a social security number so they can get a job.

Bums don't need cellphones to be contacted. If you have a cellular phone then you have to have an adress. A house line is a lot cheaper. The ones with cellphones have to be staying somewhere unless they keep stealing people's phones and using them till they get shut off. As for poor people....it's cheaper to have the very basic house line than it is to have a cell phone.

As for the hard working poor families...I never said they should go to jail. But if there were some sort of penalty for being poor they'd find a way to do more. They'd make something happen. This is America. This is the best country in the world as far as opportunity goes. If you're not making it in this country....go to Niger right now and watch those people eat rats for food because of them starving. Give those people over there the chance to come here and make something of themselves and they will. Fact is the poor people here are lazy. They look for handouts. You may say, "well, some single mothers have several mouths to feed"......then they shouldnt be having kids they can't support. Either that or give their kid up for adoption to a family that can support it. If there was a penalty for these mothers who pop out babies they can't support you can bet your ass we wouldn't have that problem anymore.

Something to ponder.....

If we took all the money in the U.S. and distributed it evenly to all the people in the country, within time you'd have the same problem all over again. The same families who were poor before would be poor again and the same families who were wealthy would be wealthy again. Why? Because of ethics.

Your so wrong. SO WRONG. Spend sometime with some of the families in the poorer section of town and youll find people who have never had the opportunity. My uncle never had the chance to go to the college. He worked his ass off for his kids can go to college. All his life he has dedicated himself to succeeding the best he could. Right now they are living pay check to pay check stuggling, not because they are lazy. God know, they are not lazy.


Now on the otherhand. My parents and I are rather lazy and well, we are squeezing pennies out of our butt cheeks... so its all depends on the cards you are dealt.

Hey, I like you! :D

I hate to quote you again...but I had something to say on this.


Let's say we're looking at this as a frat of the human race. Ok, fine. If someone is dilligently trying and consistantly gets knocked down then we lend a helping hand, and if they keep screwing up you make them try something different until something works. Unfortunately that isnt the case in what we've been talking about. If someone is just a sorry dumbass, you kick his ass and embaress him till it pisses them off enough to the point where they actually do something to change. You don't baby people. If you keep giving a child what they want everytime they cried then you'd wind up with a kid who looks for handout everytime something doesnt go his way. If someone in my chapter did something dumb, they got their ass beat or were fucked with so bad they changed. Thats called making someone a man.

As far as spending time with poor people....this was from page 4 of this thread:


Your uncle never had the chance to go to college and so he worked his ass off for his children to go and is thus living pay check to pay check. Ok, Fine. Thats what he wanted to do. He chose to spend all of his money on his children's education because he never had one. But you know what? He could have invested that money in a business of his own to make a better life for himself and his family. He was a dumbass. Its his own fault if he's bitching about living pay check to pay check. If he didnt make enough money to put his kids through college and not live paycheck to paycheck then he should have made them find a way to come up with the money themselves or make them wait till he could afford it.

I'm going to give you an example of how things SHOULD be done in regards to your uncle.

My great-great-grandfather didnt have a college education. He was a farmer who had some land. Eventually he accumulated enough money to where he enabled my great-grandfather to buy more land and plant pine trees. Through that he made money. Over his life he bought more land and did the same thing. By the time my grandfather was old enough to go to school he had enough money to put him through college and law school (and being a lawyer in those days didnt get you much money-but he saw something in its future). My grandfather continued to do the same thing as those before him and bought more land as well as being a lawyer. By the time my father came around to age he sent him to college and law school as well. By this time my family accumulated a lot of money and an assload of land in north and south central florida and to this day we still plant pine trees and buy land and sell it off for good money on top of our professions.

The point of this story is to show you how things ought to be done inorder to get your family ahead in life. It doesnt come easy nor over night. But doing what your uncle did is just plain stupid if you can even afford to pay your bills or you live week to week.

Cashmoney

but jesus christ, not everyone the farmland to start off with... i mean, some people literally have nothing to work from and there pay check goes straight into them being able to live from day to day. Poverty is not a choice! It really it isnt.

I thought you might say something like this.


If you want to go back further on down the line past my great-great-grandfather it was much worse. My family didnt have anything. Originally my family on my father's side way on down the line came here to start a new life well before independence was even thought of. They worked land in North Florida near Tallahasse and what is today South Georgia that was leased to them by Spain in the mid 1600s in exchange for a majority of their crops. And it continued that way until Florida was bought from the Spanish in 1821. When Spain ceded Florida to the U.S. my family was given the land they had worked for generations as an attempt to establish white dominace over the remaing spanish settlers (what little there were) and african americans here (1/2 of the 56,000 people in Florida at that time were african americans). Keep in mind Florida still hadn't gained statehood yet. As time went on we accumulated more land and little wealth up until my great-great-grandfather which is when things turned around. The rest of the story was already told in a few posts up.

So yea, poverty is a choice. You can't help being born in it but you can do what it takes to get out of it.

Cashmoney

wow - you have a skewed perception of life. You can't blame the poor for not having the foresight that your grandfather or whomever happened to have had. He got some breaks it sounds like, but to be honest I'm not going to thoroughly read through your story of 'look we didn't always have money.' It sounds like he was never in a position of worrying about where his next meal was or dealing with the prejudices the poor endure these days.

yeah.....doesn't work that way

It was quite the contrary, they just didnt eat sometimes. At least these days you can go to a shelter and at least get a meal. Back then what they grew as food went to Spain as rent moreless. Thats the reason why they went along with driving the Spanish out of Florida. At least these days if you work at home depot for a living you don't have to give your paycheck to the government and then turn around and almost starve. Back then they didnt have fertilizers and the soil in Florida, if you don't know, is actually sand...not exactly the dirt thats ideal for growing. They had a quota to meet for Spain's demands and if they didnt meet it they would have been kicked out. A lot of times they didnt eat much anything if they didnt go out and kill a bear or deer or catch fish.

I don't see how in the hell you can justify the poor's position these days in this country. Go back to the 1920's and see what conditions the people during the depression faced when there was actually no work at all to be found. The problem with today's generations can be summed up in one sentence; we've never really had to seriously lack for anything. Ever since Roosevelt came up with Welfare and people began exploiting it there has since been this attitude of people always looking for a handout if something is not working. God only knows what the system would be like today if not for the introduction of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (PRWORA) of 1996. The problem has been that the traditional patterns of welfare laid down in the New Deal and Great Society eras of the 1930's and 1960's has since been irrelevant due to people's chosen dependency on the state. Since 1996 the government has been trying to increase personal responsibility for moving out and above poverty while simultaneously encouraging self help via work requirements and time limits for receiving aid. But what most people don't realize is that this dependency on the state has been embeded in the lifestyle of a certain class of people for a long enough period of time, the only way to solve this problem (in my view) is to come up with a solution like the one I mentioned earlier....which is punishing these people by taking away certain privys that the normal American enjoy such as cell phones.