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Now, are we arguing about whether it is ok to argue? :rolleyes:

There is a big difference between communicating (in a civil manner) and arguing. An internet message board is made for communicating, but when it resorts to the elementary level that this thread has come to (people disrespecting one another) that is arguing and it is, in fact, retarded to the third power.

Point Taken! My intentions were not to be elementary, but to state facts and give clarity to the situation. But opinions are expressed on websites like these. That is why they do have chat rooms. But your view on the use of the internet is interesting and can be discussed.

So there was a question that preceded the drama? But that drama had me cracking up because I never knew anyone could be that arrogant about their org (to say the least).

My (abridged) POV is that we are all humans before and after Greekdom. Ever since you were being raised by your parents, you knew what relatives you loved, liked, and just didn't want to be held by. As an adult, you still learn more of what you respect, adore, abhor, etc. Regardless of your belief system, you don't embrace every single person out there as a family member or even a friend just because it's human nature that everyone doesn't like everyone.

Being in Greekdom, you'll find Greeks are the same way (We're still human!), and it's something you'll have to expect. As someone who became a Sigma Woman via graduate chapter, I have seen it all when it comes to acceptance and respect, even in my own chapter. There are sorors that love me because I'm a hard worker that was eventually elected secretary after two years of being a member. Others couldn't (and a few still can't) get past the fact that I didn't "pledge". Yet, there are undergrad sorors from Death chapters that know my heart beats for the Blue and Gold and accept me with love. My three years of Greekdom have provided enough of an experience in itself, and I have grown greatly through it.

Please continue doing your research, but you have to decide if your desire to represent the principles and do the work of the org you are interested in is stronger than others' opinions of you.

New to the board, so let me be humble and speak to everyone here...

As far as "pledging"... I was made Spr89, the last line where we all dressed alike, marched the yard, etc... 15+yrs in the Bond, have taught me that you gauge a Brother by his DEEDs and not the other BS. I have Brothers that I would trust my life with, who went GradChptr for whatever reasons. There are friends of mine who, I would stand up for, to become members in GradChptrs... think I read somewhere here that we were HUMAN first, and how we choose to treat others, is MORE a testament of who we are. For and to the young bruh wanting to enter the Bond, stay vigilent and seek out GradChptrs in your area, learn from them what the Bond is about, since your UnderGrad does not have a chptr.

To any Greek, seek out whatever org interests you, but seek them out with an open heart, and strong conviction of mind... ALL of our Founders caught HELL creating the org's, rituals, etc that we should HONOR every day...

Peace

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good ish

Yep!

Thanks for the information Atlas, interesting, I never knew this either. I do have a few questions that maybe you can answer.

Atlas, how long did Alpha Kappa Nu last? And did it become incorporated? Was there any link with that organization and your founders who came to Indiana years later?

After researching it further it seemed that there were men and women apart of that "shortlived" organization.

A brother of Kappa Alpha Psi is a Brother of Kappa Alpha Psi. One thing that we must understand...pledges have no kontrol over the process. "Kats" have every right to wear parra with the bros and throw the YO. The only thing that matters in the Knoble Klan is the letters on the front of your shirt....the left sleeve comes second.



YO KnAstY seDUECEr
Lambda Nu (Living Nightmare)SPRING '99

:eek: @ this thread. Me wonder what madenupe is really made of. A couple of things come to mind. :D



Regarding the original question, a soror is a soror to me. I don't care whether sorors come through an collegiate process or alumnae process. All that matters to me is that she makes Delta a lifetime commitment and treats sorors in a sisterly manner.

I think that the hype over who is "made" or not is the reason that there are so many haze-crazy Greeks and pledgees who allow themselves to be mistreated. The craziness has to stop somewhere.

To N.U.P.E or not?
 

I agree that hazing is wrong. I don't think that it is necessary for someone to be abused in order to build devotion to the brotherhood. I also question the hazer's purpose for the action. How can you call me a brother, when you have just worked yourself into some violent, homo-erotic rage by beating me? As long as a brother is honorable, then I have no problem. We are apart of the same Klan! Yo!

Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Inc.
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Fall 04'
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BETTER THAN YOU

All you had to do was ralley up the students. Instead they formed groups. Kept as a secret society. I mean that was nothing new. Blacks been doing it for years and until this day we still are.


Okay I know this post is old as ever but lets put this into perspective. my brother here u are;The pot caliing the kettle black. You are contradicting urself in every sense of the word. The same thing that u are saying about exclusion that the other blacks did Kappa did and continues to do until this day, we all do in some shape or form and that is the real reason why the general public cannot recieve the bglo and what we do, because they dont quite understand. I mean no disrespect but my friend u seem to have limited understanding on this whole pledging issue aswell. How could u fix ur face to say that kappa and those who were created at white universities were better off or have more credibility? Do u not understand that Zeta Phi Beta and Phi Beta Sigma were for the community? to reach out to our struggling BLACK brothers and sisters who couldnt make it to college? Was that not the goal of many other orgs like us? perhaps so or maybe not, but we wont go there. As far as ur founders being pledged...who told u that, were u there? Do u know anyone who was? But hey trust ur history ur supposed to. I believe it, we all pledge if we sacrafice and work hard for what our founders struggle to build..Vowels, committment and dedication, The process does not have to include standing up everynigt getting beat down like a dog in the pooring rain. How can u do that and be about scholarship at the same time. Wood I can understand do u know why u took wood? Do u know the difference between hazing and pledging? Do u consider having ur tail bone broken by a big brother (like the kappaI know)pledging? If so ur wrong. How is that leading someone across the burning sands of the nubian dessert? I call that hazing.