Re: are you kidding??
 

There was no material posted. It was something copied and pasted. I put a response out. Nothing came in return. But you really did choose to post about nobody posting a response. In fa t it had nothing to do with the poster. What do I know about Reds? Does she post smart or dumb things? Is she a good person? What the heck do I know. I know she copied and pasted something. You on the other hand keep saying some strange stuff. I want this thread open so I will say you say strange things instead of saying what you really are, you getting riled up, the mods not knowing what to do, the mods getting confused and then just closing the thread to not deal with it.

-Rudey

:confused: What am I really?

BLAH BlAH BLAH

Well that didn't take long... just over a week....

So has anyone else seen the Bush ad featuring clips of Reagan? I just caught it a while ago and I was disgusted that he couldn't even wait for Reagan to have been buried a week before he tried to use him...

I thought that its not a Bush ad. Wasn't it put out by the Club for Growth?

I didn't put anything in here that deserved to be erased. It was not against GC rules. If it is erased again, I will repost. If you don't like it, please take it up with John.

As for you Reds6:
1) You copied and pasted something on the internet and didn't understand most of it and couldn't tell how much was truth or not. You pretended you did research by copying and pasting.

2) I responded to each point on the material you copied and pasted.

3) You couldn't respond so you consistently try to avoid that by saying "BLAH BLAH BLAH".

4) You could have chosen to post this in the AKA thread criticizing Reagan but no you had the bad taste to post here.

-Rudey

Again you are not American, don't vote, and have no say nor vested interest in our election. Bush isn't using Reagan but thank you for coming out and showing you are spreading propaghanda and filthy lies about Americans.

-Rudey

Correct. This ad was not from the Bush campaign, but by an advocacy group.

Yup -- and it's what the dems have been relying on for their bread and butter as far as their campaign ads go.

As far as the charge someone spouted off about Bush trying to capitalize on Reagan before the corpse is even cold, 2 things:

#1: He's been trying to show himself in the light of Reagan for YEARS now. In fact, as far back as the first election with his appeals to true conservatism (which he hasn't backed up in my opinion) and general way of addressing issues led many from within and outside his campaign to draw parallels to Reagan. It's definitely nothing new.

#2: Have you seen the recent Jean (I think the french spelling of John suits him better, don't y'all?) Kerry ad talking about how America is great? No question -- that's an appeal to people who were enamored with Reagan's portrayal of American society. In my opinion though, imitation is the highest form of praise. They know that Reagan had a message that many Americans loved. And with all the recent rehashing of those glory days, they both want to tap the positive vibes and be associated with the good 'ol days.

I actually think Jean is doing a decent job of playing both sides -- trying to get the warm fuzzy feelings from the Reagan Dems and Moderates while not inciting hatred and fury from his loyal lefties.

I actually think Jean is doing a decent job of playing both sides -- trying to get the warm fuzzy feelings from the Reagan Dems and Moderates while not inciting hatred and fury from his loyal lefties.

Agreed. At this point of campaigning, both sides are trying to appeal to the masses, so you'll see lot's of "moderate" messages out from both camps, unlike the primaries, where candidates only have to appeal directly to their particular party, hence the messages were much more far-left for the dems (remember Dean anyone?), or far-right for the GOP (which we didn't get to hear since only one candidate was running) you get to hear.

At this point, the undecideds (independants, etc....) are the primary audience. The core is already locked up for both, so the remnants are now the target (I've heard them referred to as "table scraps" before....LOL....the core from each side doesn't have much respect for those who don't have party loyalty).

Politics has really become an all-or-nothing proposition for the folks in power.

Either you're with Bush, or you're against him.

Either you're with Kerry, or you're against him.

Especially up on the Hill, in our assemblies, etc., it seems that moderates, true conservatives (you know, the kind that doesn't go around thumping their Bibles at undesirables) are being constantly marginalized. It seems like to get anything done in congress, you have to either be a political personality that runs the talk-show circuit (a la John McCain) or you have to be a party-line voter... Loyalty is rewarded.

Our government needs some fundamental changes. The budgeting system needs to be completely overhauled. Federal positions need to be streamlined for efficiency. Fix some of the loopholes in our social services. My youngest brother lives in an apartment complex by OU that is largely section 8. Some of those people are very PROUD about how they abuse the system. All you have to do to keep the checks coming is go apply (and get turned down for) one job per week. Social workers are instructed to give checks out and not to bother with asking questions -- would be too much work and strain on the system.

Federal money is viewed by many as if it's just free money from some faceless entity. When people receive those checks for doing nothing, they could care less that those checks were taken from people they don't even know that work for their money.

Sorry for my rant/tangent, but it just seems that there is absolutely no common sense whatsoever in our government. They acknowledge problems, yet do nothing to solve them -- in fact, we had another year of pork barrel BS this year. It's not Bush, it's not really any ONE person. Sure, Bush could stop it, but at the end of the day, the legislature has the power to push these things through (I don't think they would have any issues with overriding a veto on a spending bill). Pork Barrel is what they promise their constituents if they don't deliver, they get fired.

I'm not sure if it's our culture, or if it's just a groove that we've settled into as a society. This'll catch up with use sooner or later.

Very true. That's why I got involved on a campaign this year, that is run on these very issues.

It's interesting that many people in our district (very conservative, mind you) that are tired of the same way of doing things, the same issues that never change, etc....

Our campaign is tapping into the "common sense" leadership, and, thankfully, my candidate's opponent is running the same tired old issues - AND, publicizing the fact that the current powers-that-be are endorsing him. Our campaign is based on "not endorsed by candidates, but by the people" philosophy, and it's getting lots of traction.

I couldn't agree more with your take on what tax dollars mean - to those that receive, and worse, abuse the benefits, we need to see that for what it really is - money WE earned taken out of OUR pockets, going in many instances, to people who really don't deserve it, or, worse, are basically stealing it (by abusing the system, which is more rampant than the counties around here are willing to admit).

LXAAlum, from the sounds of this, some may brand you a Radical!

But, I like you and many others are getting very tired of the same BS from the OLD LINE Poloticians!

I was amazed when the K C Star wrote about some Poloticians from Kansas and Missouri and the amount of money they were worth!:mad:

I guess it just goes to show, that if you dont have money, you will not be allowed in the club. If you are not, you will come out a hell of a lot wealthier than when you went in!:eek:

Radical? Me? Naaahhhhhh.......

However, I did mean what I said about abuse of tax-underwritten "benefits"....case in point: here in northern Colorado, the four or five counties with high levels of "assistance" programs (yes, necessary for those who need a temporary helping hand, I have no problem with them, and it's always nice to have a safety net)....there are estimated to be HUNDREDS of individuals that get assistance, using false addresses, in multiple counties.

The main reason: none of the county computer systems are designed to share information with each other to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Further, there are some upgrades coming state wide, that are mandated to go on line late this summer. The problem with the new system: no one has tested it yet to see how the different county processes will function, nor how these computers will talk to each other, OR, if the software will work at the county level at all.

What really boils me up is when these kinds of issues are
brought up, guess what the response is from the status-quo government and advocacy groups? That's right: we're being racist (a majority of those abusing the system are hispanic, and many of them are also illegal immigrants - so tax dollars are being sent to people who, by rule of law, shouldn't be entitled to them anyways) when we try to eliminate fraud. They claim it's not fair to deny anyone benefits they might otherwise be entitled to. They conveniently dismiss or ignore the fact that what we want eliminated is those that are getting 2x to 3x what they are entitled to, by fraudently getting benefits from other counties they don't even live in.

There are some in the federal and local government that really seem to have a Robin Hood complex (taking from the rich to give to the poor).

I can think of a few of these folks in history... Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Chairman Mao..