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Lady Pi Phi 01-15-2004 05:08 PM

Yeah, I wish someone had said that to me in highschool to.

It wasn't until I went to university that I started coming out of my shell.

wrigley 01-15-2004 05:13 PM

I know of two women who live this type of lifestyle and they both have nannies for their kids. Nice work if you can get it in high style. . But before I get flamed I know most stay at home moms do not have the luxury of nannies and it's very hard work. But there's always going to be the whole stayathome moms vs. working outside of home moms debate. In the end you need to do what's best for you.
My art history professor and advisor told a story about what it was like for her being married, raising kids and working during the 1970's. Her nanny would take the kids to the local park to play everday. Nanny would hang out with the other stay at home moms while watching the kids. On her days off when my professor would take the kids to the same park all of the stay at home moms would give her the cold shoulder treatment. What did she do to deserve this? Nothing. There is just no excuse for that behavior. There was such a stigma back then and it's a shame to think that there are still some people who think that way .

Taualumna 01-15-2004 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
People need to meet people for a healthy social life. If you want the men to be brought to you, instead of being assertive, I can't feel too bad if you're alone.

I guess I'm just...cold. But I've always been in charge of my own social life.

I was the exact same person in my last year of high school,when I was in the show as I was in my first year of university. The show, from the auditions to set strike (the day after closing night) was about 4 1/2 months. Yet, guys approached me.

Lady Pi Phi 01-15-2004 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
I was the exact same person in my last year of high school,when I was in the show as I was in my first year of university. The show, from the auditions to set strike (the day after closing night) was about 4 1/2 months. Yet, guys approached me.
Different place...different guys.
What some guys like, others guys do not.

aephi alum 01-15-2004 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by mu_agd
wellesley today does still give off that message, although not as much and it's more subtle. i was talking to a friend of a friend a few weeks ago about the movie and about that message. not many schools i know have a special bus that will take you to cambridge on friday and saturday nights so that way you may meet a nice harvard or mit man to marry....
We had some "interesting" names for that shuttle, the two most common being "F*ck Truck" and "Spreadeagle Express" :D There was a shuttle during the day, too, since there is a cross-registration program between MIT and Wellesley (which, as I understand it, Wellesley students were encouraged to participate in... hmmm...)

An interesting statistic told me by a recent Wellesley alum: 40% of students are lesbians. Apparently they are there for a sort of MRS degree... ;)

I agree with Munchkin... it's not so much about girls meeting guys but about people meeting people. You can't just sit in your room all day - you have to come out of your shell - even if you're not necessarily looking for a romantic relationship.

OK, </hijack>

GeekyPenguin 01-15-2004 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Please do not compare Mona Lisa Smile to a late 20th century-early 21st century school. The Wellesley portrayed in the movie is not the Wellesley of 2004. If I were to produce a movie about my school in 1953-54, it too would likely resemble MLS. If you read the article, one girl said that she didn't want to be like her mother, having to work all day and having no time for her growing up. Maybe she just wants to be different, just like her mom wanted to be different from an earlier generation.

ETA: Even the most modern girls' high schools still slightly promote dating boys from the nearby boys' school(s)...At my school, for example, all theatrical productions were with the boys' school next door.

I was referring to the overall theme or genre of the movie, which was supposed to be that women can do anything they want, whether that be going to Yale Law School or getting married and having children, or both.

I am quite sure that my school, a COED school, would also in some ways resemble that, considering that my mom had to wear skirts to class and was not even allowed to enter the buildings wearing pants.

I think you missed my point.

Taualumna 01-15-2004 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I was referring to the overall theme or genre of the movie, which was supposed to be that women can do anything they want, whether that be going to Yale Law School or getting married and having children, or both.

I am quite sure that my school, a COED school, would also in some ways resemble that, considering that my mom had to wear skirts to class and was not even allowed to enter the buildings wearing pants.

I think you missed my point.

Your mom wasn't in school in the 1990s and the early 21st century. We had to wear skirts to school to, but it was a uniform. They didn't add pants until 1997. Boarders had to wear skirts or dresses to dinner on weeknights until 1994 or so. But that doesn't mean that the teachers encouraged us to marry. We may have had activities with the boys' schools, but we certainly were expected to do well in school, go to a good university and get a good job. We were high school girls, after all. As for the movie, we all assumed that Joan (Julia Stiles' character) would go to Yale, didn't we? Didn't you think that Katherine looked a little upset at the end? That's what I mean by the "that's nice, dear" comment. It's still there. You'd unlikely get that if you choose to have a career.

GeekyPenguin 01-15-2004 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Your mom wasn't in school in the 1990s and the early 21st century. We had to wear skirts to school to, but it was a uniform. They didn't add pants until 1997. Boarders had to wear skirts or dresses to dinner on weeknights until 1994 or so. But that doesn't mean that the teachers encouraged us to marry. We may have had activities with the boys' schools, but we certainly were expected to do well in school, go to a good university and get a good job. We were high school girls, after all. As for the movie, we all assumed that Joan (Julia Stiles' character) would go to Yale, didn't we? Didn't you think that Katherine looked a little upset at the end? That's what I mean by the "that's nice, dear" comment. It's still there. You'd unlikely get that if you choose to have a career.
You are still missing my point. And actually, my mom was in school then. :rolleyes:

Taualumna 01-15-2004 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
You are still missing my point. And actually, my mom was in school then. :rolleyes:
Your point was that there are choices, and we are free to make whatever choice we want. However, these days, women who make a more "traditional" choice is often seen as being worse off than someone who decides to have a career, never marry or have children. Sure, she's asked the often tiring "hey, when are you going to settle and have kids" question, but it never sounds as bad as the "that's nice, dear" (also known as the "Oh" comment) comment that many SAHMs get. Especially SAHMs with graduate degrees. Did you see the Oprah episode with the cast of MLS? Remember what the girl at the end said and how her ideas often conflicted with her mom's?

GeekyPenguin 01-15-2004 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
Your point was that there are choices, and we are free to make whatever choice we want. However, these days, women who make a more "traditional" choice is often seen as being worse off than someone who decides to have a career, never marry or have children. Sure, she's asked the often tiring "hey, when are you going to settle and have kids" question, but it never sounds as bad as the "that's nice, dear" (also known as the "Oh" comment) comment that many SAHMs get. Especially SAHMs with graduate degrees. Did you see the Oprah episode with the cast of MLS? Remember what the girl at the end said and how her ideas often conflicted with her mom's?
Um, I don't really watch Oprah, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Taualumna 01-15-2004 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Um, I don't really watch Oprah, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
At the very end, Oprah spoke to a girl and her mom. The girl, who is a sophmore studying engineering said that she liked the idea of marrying and staying home. Her mom thought it was the most horrible idea in the world. Mom thought that the girl should use her education to get a good job, because that's what women have been fighting for all along. The mother thought that her daughter should continue the struggle for women's advancement, but here the girl was, telling her mother that she didn't want to do it

GeekyPenguin 01-15-2004 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Taualumna
At the very end, Oprah spoke to a girl and her mom. The girl, who is a sophmore studying engineering said that she liked the idea of marrying and staying home. Her mom thought it was the most horrible idea in the world. Mom thought that the girl should use her education to get a good job, because that's what women have been fighting for all along. The mother thought that her daughter should continue the struggle for women's advancement, but here the girl was, telling her mother that she didn't want to do it
But what is the point of her studying engineering then? Why not just major in something easy? Unless she's doing engineering to meet more men. :p

mu_agd 01-15-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
But what is the point of her studying engineering then? Why not just major in something easy? Unless she's doing engineering to meet more men. :p
and we're back to the mrs degree..:p

Taualumna 01-15-2004 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
But what is the point of her studying engineering then? Why not just major in something easy? Unless she's doing engineering to meet more men. :p
She could have been pressured to major in engineering by her family or her school (my cousin falls into this category). Or, she thought that she wanted to take engineering when she was in high school, and decided to finish the degree, because changing her major to, say, English, may require her to take another year of school.

AGDee 01-15-2004 11:36 PM

One of the biggest factors in me wanting to work no matter what was NOT wanting to be dependent on someone else. There are no guarantees in this world and if you're just depending on HIM and his income, you are vulnerable. Divorce, disability or death could make you bankrupt in no time.

Another consideration for women in the U.S. is how much you've contributed to Social Security. My mom stayed home until I was in 4th grade or so. Then she went back to college. She earned her degree when I was 15 and started working then. By the time I was 23, she and my dad were divorced. By the time I was 28, she was disabled. She gets very little Social Security because she didn't work for very long and if you get divorced, you are not entitled to your ex-husbands benefits at all. If you do not get divorced, then you're ok, because you get to tap into his if he dies. Nobody enters marriage planning to get divorced, but the reality is that 1 of 2 marriages end in divorce and in many states, if your spouse wants a divorce, you will be divorced no matter how you feel about it.

I was lucky that my mom was able to be my primary child care provider the entire time that my children were infants.

Lastly, I think that either way, there are people who look down on you. SAHM's definitely make comments about moms who work and vice versa. I do have a SAHM friend who had to join a support group of other SAHMs to cope with the lack of outside stimulation. She also had to go to work when her husband decided to go to med school and she was suddenly on the phone with me saying "How do you get everything done????". There are pros and cons to both, but for me, more than anything, I'm not willing to risk being financially dependent on anybody, ever.

Dee


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