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What the FREAK is really going on up in here, up in here?

I go away for MORE THAN 24 hours and you all are acting OUT OF ORDER....

Ya'll better get your minds right! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif LOL

To all those upset at the fact that I feel the way I do, too bad... I just do.

I reviewed my Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Constitution and Bylaws and I found out that ALL our symbols and mottos are trademarked and patented. That means the Coat of Arms, the Pin, the term "Fashionetta", the motto: "Service to All Mankind" and the name Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.

I don't know what my Sorority's corporate office and international directorate will tell me at any upcoming meetings. So I cannot say what is in regards to the Delta Phi Upsilon Fraternity. I wish their organization well and I hope their pursuits are not in vain.

Anybody has a right to question anybody's ideas and statements in the United States. To do that is our right to freedom of speech as guarenteed by the US Constitution. However, it doesn't guarentee the repercussions and consequences taken against ones statements. As some of you cursing me out for my statements to question, I reiterate, all I was asking Mr. Charles was to THINK about what the reasons were to form the meanings behind his organization's symbols. I, myself, do not care what they are and I really do not want to know. But based on his statements regarding the history of his organization, I was trying to make my point clear that the usage of his organization's chosen symbols are really unoriginal in my opinion and I have that right.

If you do not think I have that right, so what!!! I do not really care. Because in the grand scheme of things, we can only leave this world one way and no one can get out of it...

**** Intriguing 18 posted this as a new topic.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

So I added it to this discussion, since it is the SAME topic....

Hi Sorors,
I think this fraternity could have been much more original with its symbols,dates, etc. I am offended!!
I e-mailed the national headquarters and asked them where did they get the idea for the organization, considering it has a tremendous amount of similarities with AKA.

Someone responded by saying " The idea for our fraternity originated from the need for more gay men of color to be able to share in the fraternal experience without trouble of blatent homophobia and harrassment."
He did not address the issue of them having such great similarities.

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Originally posted by darling1:

I have gone over this thread many times. I have looked at every opinion and I have contemplated whether or not to post because I only have a certain frame of reference. But I have found some of these comments very unsettling. The above quote was a bit disturbing to read because I felt a sense of elitism flowing through it. Based on what Trevor Charles said, he has used Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority as a frame of reference but so did the sororities that came after Alpha Kappa Alpha and I am quite sure that this organization used the GLO's and other orgs. in the like as a frame of reference. I could imagine the comments that were made on white campuses when BGLO's began popping up. My question here is out of respect to what? I believe that the fact that Mr. Charles created his fraternity to serve the gay community in a positive way is respect enough.

Sisterfriend AKA_Monet, your post touched me the most because I really got the sense as to why you and many of your sisters who share your viewpoint feel the way you do, however, I feel that you maybe upset more at the fact that this is a homosexual organization. What gave me that feeling was when you said:

I understand that everybody gotta do they own thang. Whateva's cleva. In fact my cousin is a lesbian and was out when people in her small southern Black community thought we don't have those "caucasian" sexual orientation issues. I mean no offense, but in the Black community, some people do think that sexual orientation is not OUR issue.

To me this is just like a white person saying "I'm not prejudice/racist, I have Black friends." Right there you are just showing your true colors. You also felt the need to justify your heterosexuality and IMHO this justification only occurs when you are uncomfortable with someone else's sexual preference

SF Monet you also mentioned that part of the issue is also the fact that there will be people misconstruing this organization for others and will perhaps continue fighting within our community over same symbol usage. My question is how and why would there be any strife? I believe if you and others of like mind weren't so incensed, there would be no infighting. I firmly believe that because you are the First Black Sorority that the emulation would be welcomed. Perhaps would you have preferred them to use Alpha Phi Alpha as a frame of reference?

Lastly, why would you ask Mr. Charles what the symbols, colors etc. mean for his organization. I believe sf that you do not have the right to do that. He and his brothers know and that is enough. I am not stupid there are people probably out there desiring to be like you and your sisters but there are genuine people like I believe Mr. Charles is who mean no harm. I think naysayers out here need to really look outside the box and try to uplift each other. The powers that be are looking at us and love the divisiveness. So please, can we try and be more accepting?

I hope you guys understand my P.O.V. I was up very late typing this. Take Care.....

I understand the need to express yourself; but please leave MY FRAT the freak http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif out of your conversation! Please.

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited April 01, 2001).]

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Originally posted by The Original Ape:
I meant you no personal disrepect, and I apologize if I came across that way. I get tired of this subject, and my fraternity being mentioned in the same sentence with it. It is an issue my chapter never had to worry about; nor most of those in my region. Manhood is one of our principles; therefore my fraternity has nothing to do with this issue. Again, please accept my apology.

Ok, here I go again. I had to respond to this one. Where do I start??? The Original Ape claims that his chapter/region has never had to "deal" with this because "manhood is one of our principles," and that his "fraternity has nothing to do with this issue." I think he has just justified the need for my fraternity. He is assuming that there are no gay men in his fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha. I don't even see a need to address that ridiculous notion so.... I'm gonna go now. I'll think I'll call one of my regional directors... who USED to be a member of Alpha Phi Alpha.

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Originally posted by DeltaBro1:
Ok, here I go again. I had to respond to this one. .... I'm gonna go now.

Now, how many times have you said this before? Don't speak about it, be about it. Coming up in here trying to cause some rudkus.

It's time for this thread to be closed.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

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Originally posted by DeltaBro1:
Ok, here I go again. I had to respond to this one. Where do I start??? The Original Ape claims that his chapter/region has never had to "deal" with this because "manhood is one of our principles," and that his "fraternity has nothing to do with this issue." I think he has just justified the need for my fraternity. He is assuming that there are no gay men in his fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha. I don't even see a need to address that ridiculous notion so.... I'm gonna go now. I'll think I'll call one of my regional directors... who USED to be a member of Alpha Phi Alpha.

Man, Gon with that! If anyone made assumptions, it was you! You know nothing about my chapter, or my region; so again, mind yo bitness.

Like you, I see a need for a fraternity to address people with your particular interest. I hope and pray that every fella that shares your interests comes your way. That way, there wont be any conflict of interest; and we all could simply tend to our own business. As for your regional director, I'm glad he has found his calling. I would strongly urge you to start your own forum as well.

Hopefully, we could then learn to respect each other's territory.

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Originally Posted by Nupe4Life:
It's time for this thread to be closed.

I agree. I'm gone for 48 hours and the kids don't know how to act. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif I love you guys, but I think it's time for this thread to get the ax.