Say a woman just wait 7 months and gets an abortion. This has nothing to do with health. What is that showing the rights to? Listen I don't think people should have that many rights that include being stupid and irresponsible. I sincerely hope that if men were cutting off their testacles left and right (no pun intended) the governenment would step in and have the national guard put those messed up sonamabitches in jail.

Now if it's for health reasons , I think that's different.

-Rudey
--How come men don't have any rights even though they worked hard to bust a nut?

Are you talking about why men don't have rights when it comes to the abortion debate?

The hardest part (also no pun intended) of a man's job is over when a pregnancy is produced - excluding the "pressure of parenthood". Women on the other hand have raging hormones, unbelievable weight gain and/or loss, body image issues, headaches, butt aches, leg cramps, nausea, vomiting, bladder control issues, hemorroids, blood pressure issues, etc......ALL combined with the incredible impending pressure of parenthood. A woman is signing over 10 calender months of her life to become less important than the the fetus she is carrying. If the situation was reversed, and men carried babies - I wouldn't think women had a 'say' in the abortion debate. Just like we say that some people shouldn't be parents......well these women that choose to abort are saying "you are RIGHT, I should NOT be a parent!!". Women have to give up pretty much everything when they have a baby and some women, lets face it, are too damn selfish to do that sometimes. I think its ok for someone to be selfish when they are in college and having fun (18 - 22 years old when most of these unplanned pregnancies occur). Men go about their lives when their child is born, women give up everything including her cute tummy, ass and thighs that you guys love so much.

My favorite part of this whole thing is that a bunch of rich males are making a choice for mainly lower income women (when it comes to aborted for extreme health reasons). When one of them pops up pregnant from their secretary, I would like to see their view on abortion then ;)

honeychile,

you went to a wonderful school! I personally believe abstinence is the way to go but I am also very realistic and know that sex out of wedlock is going to happen because humans have a free will. Since sex is going to happen whether one's married or not, students need to learn to be responsible when it comes to sex. Obviously, your school knew that students that age needed to learn about the risks and how to be responsible! I wish they'd had that at my school!

On the topic of this thread, I believe abortions should be legal for those that were raped, victims of incest, and if the mom's or the baby's life was danger. Adoption is best for those that don't want to have a baby or can't support the baby, emotionally or financially. There are so many people out there wanting babies that can't have them, so why not give the baby to them? There's a better chance of seeing that child again when its 18 than there is when the child is aborted. You can't go back on that decision once the abortion is complete. This bill doesn't take into account the mother's life and health. Every child SHOULD in theory have their mother alive and well rather than dead. Most Republicans and Democrats, etc. would agree to that. A study was finished (can't remember the name of the study) about the difference between mothers and fathers parenting habits and turned out the obvious: mothers are more nurturing than the fathers. What's going to happen to the father when he's going to tell a girl about her period, if the baby's a girl? What about the sex talk with a baby girl? That's going to be very uncomfortable for both individuals. I know it would've been for me.

You made no sense. Absolutely no sense. So the father can't talk about a period. Let me tell you something, a sex talk with my dad/mom/uncle would have freaked me out and i know lots of guys who got it from their moms.

Get over yourselves ladies. For 9 months you have it rough ok. But in that 9 months most employers compensate you. Your male counterparts or whomever else is in your life will be there to help you. Don't act like you do it all alone and it's the goddamn hardest thing in the world. If I create a child, I'd like to have some say in what happens. Why does it end at abortion? Using your logic women should have more rights to the child after the child is born too. Why don't you just take the child and sell it at the very end of the pregnancy since you suffered through so much. At least that way you'll make some money.

-Rudey
--How about some damn rights for us men?

just checking in, ok, what's going on in here.

<looks around>

wait a minute, this thread is ENTIRELY too liberal for me to be here, i'll be on my way.......

freakin hippies ;)

Kitso
KS 361 times i thought this was the "Which GCer do you want to have your Baby" thread

Adoption is not an option for everyone. Just like abortion is not an option for everyone.

My Dearest Rudey,

As far as I know only some corporations have maternal leave. My boss does not offer it at all-nor do any of my friend's bosses.

Several of my friends have had children in the last year. The men in their lives are still present but as far as helping out-they do about 99% of the work. If they left it up to their spouses the baby would never get fed or bathed. Now I am not saying all men are that way, my brother raised his girl completely on his own (though my mom helped at times) but this is the exception rather than the rule. How many stories have we heard about a women getting pregnant and the man ends up leaving? Too damn many. BTW, It is the toughest job in the world IMO.

Feel free to wack off your testicles-I won't interfere:).

Until the politicians leave this debate alone I won't leave them out-after all they are making all the decisions about what I can and cannot do.

Rudey, part of me believes men deserve SOME input when it comes down to his S.O. aborting or not. The men that stay I think should have an input. BUT -

Not all men stay. Not all men take responsibility. Not all men want to be there to help out. Like AggieAXO said, how many stories have we heard of being women being knocked up and then dumped? I honestly believe that if most guys (not talking about anyone on here, just in general) weren't dip shits, and took responsibilty for the child they produced, most abortions wouldn't happen. I mean, would any MALE on here want to have an unwanted pregnancy, then raise a child BY THEMSELVES when they are in the prime of their life?? hmmm....maybe, maybe not. There are so many circumstances to take into consideration, but if the tables were turned I doubt you would hear us bitching about not having rights when we are the ones that run out!

Bottom line - you can't legalize someone's morality. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. Don't be so pompous though to think that YOU are capable of making that decision for anyone else.

AggieAXO you and I see the same.

My opinion is this,
if you don't want abortions, then guarantee that the life of the child that is given up for adoption is going to be a good one.

If you don't want abortions then make these good for nothing motherfudgers that if they get a girl pregnant then their life has to change to, they have to take a part, they have to be active and do all the things that the women is going to.

If you don't want abortions, make Birth control widely available and inexpensive.

And if you don't want abortions then love your children and teach them about sex, the responsibilities and what raising a child entails.

But, this isn't a perfect world nor a perfect place and these things don't happen. Men are not held accountable while a woman has to (sometimes this word is applicable, other times not) suffer through the changes in her body, her mind and her soul by carrying a child.

Unless your dick can squeeze a lemon out, then I suggest men step aside, they have NO CLUE, hell they don't even get the "joy" of a period.

As for late term abortions, once again, read up on it. This is by NO MEANS a common practice, nor one that is taken lightly by women or the medical community. This is a huge deal.

And it isn't like having a first trimester abortion is easy, either. They cost between $350-$800 and I know in my state there is only one provider, that is located in Lexington, KY, so women have to find a way to get there, which could be really far from home. It isn't like all planned parenthoods have OB's that are willing to perform an abortion. There are like 4 PP here in Louisville and none of them have one.

Back to the debate, meanwhile I am going to reiterate what I think most of the antiabortion sentiments stem from-
IT IS BETWEEN THAT WOMAN AND GOD, AND UNLESS YOU ARE GOD, YOU CANNOT TELL HER WHAT TO DO, SHE HAS TO RECONCILE IT WITH HER MAKER, AND WHAT BUSINESS OF YOURS IS THAT?

I have gotten into this debate before...
 

...and I understand what you mean by placing a law on morality. I will tell you one thing though. If I were to impregnate someone, and wanted to keep the child (which I most certainly would), there would be NO abortion. I would consider it cold blooded murder. If one of the two parents wants the child, there is no veto power. If the guy leaves, he is an ass, and should be castrated. Don't use that as an exuse. Thoughts? I want to know what you guys think.

I would die for my kids....

i think the woman should always have the OPTION. i'm not saying that it is always the right choice, but they should have the right to chose. people who wish to take away this option, are taking away one of the mother's rights-- the right to make a choice.
in my mind, banning abortion is like creating a law that states if you have late term cancer, you shouldnt be able to recieve new or inovative treatments, becuase "god" (or allah, or buddah, or whomever you pray to) decided that it was your time to go. just my $.02.

Ditto.

What about those whose parents would disown them if they found out they were pregnant? Those who live in extremely religious or conservative towns that would shun them if they showed up pregnant? My parents wouldn't disown me, but they have made it clear that they wouldn't help me out financially or emotionally. My extended family would probably be very uncomfortable with it. This all goes back to the point I made earlier that Catholics are more likely to have abortions -- they know that their Catholic parents, families and other people in their church would be at the very least disappointed, since the church has such a strict stand on sexuality.

For a lot of people, abortion IS the easy way out. It's a lot easier than being disowned, having their parents angry with them or disappointed in them for years, or being treated like a "sinner" in their community. I don't blame them for that.

I think we can all agree that nobody sets out to have abortions. I have yet to EVER hear of anybody who's like, "Well, it's okay that I'm not using birth control, because it seems like an abortion would be a lot easier and a lot more fun than taking a bill everyday or buying condoms." But accidents happen. We shouldn't insist that an accident ruin someone's life -- in some cases THREE lives or even more. I know, for example, that if I got pregnant I would be both financially and emotionally unable to care for a child. If I had it anyway, both the baby and I would have a pretty miserable time. Chances are that my boyfriend would insist on helping out, which would mean him dropping out of school too.

I know that a lot of people think that having an abortion means that you failed to take responsibility for yourself. But having an abortion IS responsible. It means that you realize that you can't give your baby a good life. You can't love it like it will need. You can afford to give it a good life. I know someone who had THREE abortions before she was 21. Yes, she used birth control. No, it obviously didn't work. She worked part time at a clothing store at the mall. She didn't have her driver's license. Her boyfriend was not someone she would want to be the father of her kids, due to his sometimes abusive and often unfaithful habits. Do I think she was irresponsible to have the abortions? Hell no. I think she was being extremely responsible.

Re: I have gotten into this debate before...
 

I didn't even want to get into this, but since you brought it up . . .

I think guys should have some right to decide on a personal, emotional level, but absolutely none on the legal level. If your girlfriend wants to consider your personal feelings, that's fine, but I don't think there should ANYWHERE be a law that if the guy doesn't want an abortion, she can't have one. That is beyond ridiculous.

If my boyfriend and I had sex and we got pregnant, and he wanted to keep the baby while I wanted to abort it (which would not happen, thank god, because we are on the same page regarding this) I would say, "That's great -- if you are willing to be the one who carries the baby for nine months, suffer from morning sickness and all the things MereMere listed above (which are bad enough in women who WANT to have kids, but are a thousand times worse in someone who didn't want to have a baby in the first place), drop out of school to take care of the kid and financially support it, then go ahead."

The woman is the one who traditionally ends up making 95 percent of the sacrifices, and a lot of the time the men don't have to make any. Whenever the guy wants to make 90 percent of the sacrifices, then I'll let him think about keeping the baby.