Right but I still think their badge looks like ours. I did READ the OTHER posts but APPARENTLY you didn't SEE some people CLAIMING that "WHITE" GLOs were "STEALING" calls from BLACK GLOS.

CAPS lock is FUN.

Thanks for being super friendly. :D

It's our fault, for coming in and rocking their peaceful and quiet GC world :( :D

Chaos i think most of the points made on this thread just express the opinion that there was no disrespect. the "you know" cheer, or call, or yell or whatever you want to call it, is done everywhere...in high school, at other colleges, etc. i know other chapters of Phi Mu that use it and my own high school played teams that used it. my high school marching band used it all the time while i was a member. i've heard GLOs on my campus yell it. just out of curiosity, are all those orgs "disrespecting" Phi Beta Sigma? I tend to think not. i don't think we even have a chapter of Phi Beta Sigma on my campus.

To clear any misconceptions: I apologize if I came off as super friendly. It wasn't my intent. Just some "CHAOS humor," there.

Again, the race card was played by the nonBGLO members in this thread. We know, we know, we know...some of "you" get really sensitive and paranoid when things APPEAR to be black and white :rolleyes:

I appreciate your insight.

If their "YOU KNOOOOOW" came from PBS and sounds like how PBS does it, yes, some (not all) may perceive that as disrespect.

But, before you even say it: There's no proof that they adopted that from the Sigmas.

But, anyway. I was asking PhiMu "since when" was that their call at VCU. I was just telling PhiMu how many NPHC members felt when we heard THAT call done at VCU.

Perhaps we would feel the same way if we heard it done by a highschool team. But, highschool teams aren't GLOs. So, the "offense" hits closer to home when it's another Greek Lettered Organization.

The rest of this thread was fun, but it's gibberish. I was addressing PhiMu at VCU, no mas no menos.

Please explain to me the difference between "YOU KNOW" and "YOU KNOOOOOOOOOW", besides the extra O's.

Also, where the hell is Norf Currrrlina?

You said "We know, we know, we know...some of "you" get really sensitive and paranoid when things APPEAR to be black and white " Please, tell me what "you" means? Does that mean the "white race"? You have been assuming, so I will assume too. You are pointing out black from white, so its not a matter of appearance anymore.

I say "You're damn right I get mad. It's always the white man trying to keep the black man down." Pure bullshit.

Lastly, thanks for participating.

I can't beleive this thread REALLY got taken to the level of inanity that it has.

White orgs have/had calls and whistles. I learned something new.

Another observation I have is that some of these calls and whistles are ritualistic in nature, which may be another reason why they are not common knowledge.

Can we please hear more HISTORY about NPC orgs with calls?

THANK YOU!!! Dang. . . :p :rolleyes:

Norf Currrrlina!!! hells ya. :)

To my knowledge, Pi Beta Phi has no call/whistle. I think it's really interesting that some NPC/IFC orgs use these.

For you NPHC folks, when did calls come into use? I'm curious to know whether the NPHC and NPC developed calls at the same time, and when the NPC quit using their calls...

ZTA does have a call/whistle but its not public knowledge and I don't believe it ever was. Anyway, I can't imagine it being very ladylike for a woman in the late 1800's to whistle in public!

Re: NPC sororities with calls?
 

Yeah, I saw it mentioned in Watchwords and I was like "Huh?".
I thought it was interesting....

DG also had a sort of eagle crest that has fallen into disuse (again, thank you Watchwords)

No no no. You're ALL missing the point, because there ISN'T a point to the inane arguing in this thread.

Get the ish over it, mmmkay?

Hmmm...How about this?

1. How about NPC/IFC people stop making this into a race thing? Cause I read this thread, and I could tell that it was the non-NPHC-ers who threw in the whole "race thing".

2. ATTENTION NPC/IFC: To the NPHC, doing someone's call when you are not a member of that org. is like wearing your letters when you not a member. Would a Phi Mu wear Chi O on her chest? I don't think so. Well, in the D9 world, doing an Alpha call when you're a Sigma is the same. It just doesn't happen.

3. I think some people got too damn sensitive cause someone asked a question. If you don't know the answer, then just say that. And...If somebody wasn't talking to you, then don't say anything, k? How about that...

***stepping off soapbox*** Thank you and have a good night...

Wow, this thread may already be too far gone, but it's a really interesting question so here's my attempt to rescue it...

First, there's a distinction to be made. There are calls that the D9 folks have been discussing - these are generally a fairly modern invention, public in nature (even if "proprietary" to the group), primarily for the purpose of promoting the group, and non-ritualistic. Then there are the calls, whistles, etc. that I think ariesrising was originally asking about. These are ritualisitc features; formal, secret, added to the written rituals of quite a few fraternities and sororites.

The ritualistic convention of using a call or whistle is primarily seen in Era I GLOs - those founded in the early and mid-1800s. (later fraternities and sororities undoubtedly copied them without really knowing the original purpose).

Remember that GLO membership (in fact, almost any form of student organization) was largely forbidden at a lot of colleges in this time period. If it became known that a person was a member of a GLO, there would certainly be some kind of faculty retribution and in fact that person would likely be expelled. So... Badges and letters and crests were not openly displayed. Badges were often worn inside a jacket lapel. Ritualistic meetings were held at some secret place. Codes were used to announce meetings and for any public correspondence. And the members necessarily developed whistles and calls and secret words as a way to identify themselves without arousing attention.

That's the history of calls, whistles, snaps, hand signs, etc. Later groups no doubt adopted these because they do add a bit of clandestine flair.

So, maybe Phi Mu did copy the DST yell. Maybe not. Who cares? Both groups took the original concept from an Era I fraternity anyway. There's nothing new under the sun.

Frankly, it is interesting though... the practice started as a way to secretly identify yourself, and today it has evolved into a way of proudly announcing or promoting yourself.

wptw

On a continuing quest for knowledge:


Which Fraternities are considered Era 1 Fraternities?