Score! My true love has always been a spatula, at last we can be together!

The dictionary on my desk defines marriage as "the legal union of a man and a woman."

I believe that marriage is a sacred union, and is between a man and a woman. Yes, it is because I am a believing Christian, and the Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination, not just a sin.

No, I'm not going to argue about it, so don't bother to bait me. Y'all have your own ideas; I have mine. The question was asking for an opinion, and I have given mine.

What about openly Gay priests and those still in the closet?


When I was a young boy and went to a Lutheran church, we had the same minister for a LONG time. Everyone liked him and thought of him as a guet mann. His wife was also one of my teachers and one of his daughters liked me. Then one week we were shocked to see him caught in the newspaper for being arrested for leud acts out in open with 3 other men down by a lake. They weren't trying to take things back before adam sinned, they were getting nasty. After that nobody went to that church anymore, his wife moved and remarried, I have no idea what happened to his daughters.


My point: you never know if someones gay or not.

Sverige, all i can say is that i myself was raised in a home like hte one you are describing as was one of my sisters and we were never teased or called any of the names you think we should be called. it doesn't matter if you have two mommies or two daddies or if mommie dies and daddy gets a new friend who happens to be a man. all that is important is the love that is apparent in the home. are you saying i hsould have been removed from my home and my father when my mother died because he finalyl accepted the fact that he was gay? i just don't understand where these ideas are coming from honestly. maybe i never will.

ginger~ i happen to disagree with you one one of your points. yes, people are devaluing marriage now, as can be seens by high divorce rates. however, i have seen marriages between a man and a woman last a little over a year or two and partnetships bwtween two men or two women last over two decades. they have the same love that men and women who marry do, and in many cases much stronger love, because let's face it...you havee to have a strong love and committment to stay with someone that many in society would ostracize you for.

honeykiss~ i respect your religious beliefs, but my thought was that Jesus died to forgive up our sins. as such, how can a forgiving and just God punish men and women for loving each other? I believe that God made his children, heterosexual and homosexual alike, and that he loves us all equally and wants us to be happy in the way we live our lives with our loved ones. i know that this is not the same position you hold, but i really wish everyone had the same oppurtunities in love and marriage that i do.

Very true. This is why we have been given the Bible as a Guide Book.


As for priests, if they are celibate, then they aren't in sin, are they? If they aren't celibate and are practicing homosexuals, then not only are they committing an abomination according to the very standards they swore to uphold, but their sin is the worse for leading others into sin, also.

The same would go for any clergy in adultery.

ROFLMAO!!! :D

For those who want to set limits on who can or cannot get married. I thought this needed to be repeated. ;)

Why don't we have courtship minimums, if we're going to go around and say that someone's marriage will be devalued? Is my relationship weakened by someone having a Vegas marriage after knowing the person for a day or less? Uh, no.

Basically, believe what you want, but the world is changing faster than you can imagine. Some sort of gay civil union will be the law of the land in most states by the end of our lifetimes--whether you like it or not. :)

Who says that he "accepted" the fact? Is it hard to concieve in your head that maybe because of your mothers death your dad went off the deep end, or it maybe seems that way to many?

Usually when someone looses a mate it's traumatic, more so if you're still young. Maybe your dad felt that he could never replace your mother with another woman and therefore decided to go for men. Nobody accepts the fact that they're gay. There are Carnal cravings within the human mind, feeding those cravings alone can turn someone gay. I don't find it hard to believe that your moms death caused your dad to try being gay. I didnt say I have a problem with people being gay in general, I just don't think gay couples should adopt kids.

Your situation is different from that of which I am describing. You weren't raised from birth by gay parents. That said, you can't say you'd feel the same exact way if you had gay parents from the begining and knew you were adopted. Why? because you weren't in that situation.

I still don't know who Jordan Knight is, someone going to answer?

Should I try a google search?

You're probably right. It just makes me wonder though what's next? Will the next GC debate be about "Brother/Sister marriages legalized" or "Age of consent laws repealed"? Because reason everyone (both for and against) have presented can be applied to this as well.

(Disclaimer - Not saying that gay marriages will be the downfall of our society, because goodness knows it was headed down that path WAAAYYYYY before this was even an issue).

Isn't he the guy from NKOTB that went solo? :confused:
Oh well.............:p

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Is there any way that someone can leave everything to their partner in their will without their parents or family taking part of it? Since sometimes, the family doesn't approve of the relationship.

and, I agree with whoever said "partner" sounds a little too clinical. The best term I've heard so far has been "lifemate."

Right! Notice I did not advocate one side or the other. I just think that everyone should step back and try to look from the other side's perspective.

Cloud9, LOL.

honeychile, we have had the discussion about the dictionary as a tool of definition on here before. I don't know about you, but I have personally never met Mirriam or Webster so I wouldn't dare let them define any words that only serve to classify or otherwise limit me in any way. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the dictionary is obsolete by any means. What I am saying is that no book or document will tell me who I can fall in love with or what we can do to make that love "official" so to speak.

My point is, marraige is only what YOU make it...be it in a courthouse ceremony, fly-by-night wedding in Vegas, or extravagant, lavish event. If it is not YOU who is getting married, then why care?

To the people that believe that it somehow lessens the value of sanctity of marraige, can you please elaborate somehow? I just am unable to grasp the concept of letting someone or something else dictate to YOU the value of your vows.

Well said Librasoul.


I am not religious (I don't believe in organized religion...but that's another thread for another time), but I'm all for the church, or mosque, or synagogue, or temple, etc, etc for choosing who they will or will not marry. As a private institution that is their right. The Catholic church won't marry someone who has been divorced (unless of course they have changed this, then correct me if I am wrong), and that is their right, based on their specific beliefs. But before you can be marry in one this institutions you have to get a marriage license from the government. What right do they have to deny someone a license barring something illegal like one person is still married or they are brother and sister. As far as I know homosexuality is not illegal (well i guess it is in some places still, but for the sake or the argument lets say it's not). What right does the government have to deny a loving couple the right to solidify their relationship if they so choose?

As for the brother and sister thing, well in all honesty I could care less if brother and sister or first cousins want to get married. They might have some funny looking children, but they aren't hurting me, so I don't care who marries who. The only time I would question are speak up about someone's choice of mate is if one of them were physically or emotionally abusive.

i don't know how weird ppl will think this post is with my bush lovin, baptist upbringing, right-wing, conservative butt, but oh well. ;)

can't say one way or the other if this should be legalized.....for the most part, i guess i think it should b/c honestly.....who is it hurting? church ppl will say that it hurts the morality of marriage, the family, the country, the world......but whoa. ppl have the right to make choices...this country is supposedly all about freedoms, and if ya wanna talk about God.....God is the supreme giver of choices. hello? gave adam the whole apple choice......he didn't go with it, and WATCH OUT.....man survived and thrived and here we all are a billion.2 years later. it wasn't the original plan, but man-kind lived through it. the only thing that did go as planned in that situation was that God was the only other one around to judge them for what they did. that is how it is supposed to be. no one has the right to judge someone else for what they do.....i don't know how many times i have said this, but judge not lest ye be judged. and if someone wants to make a lifelong committment to someone, why should they be stopped? murderers and thieves are stopped b/c it's the combination of morally wrong AND detrimental to others. whether one just thinks someone/some act is morally wrong or not doesn't hold a whole lot of weight if it's not harming others in some way. b/c, yeah....lying is also morally wrong.....but should i be thrown in jail for telling a white lie to my mother about being in the shower when she called when i was actually just staring at my caller ID b/c i didn't feel like talking to her (yeah, feeling guilty..... -sigh- ;) ) i'm not hurting anyone, just merely sparing her feelings and controlling my own time. :p
plus, it all comes back to how i would like to be treated. b/c i am a white heterosexual female, i don't have to worry a whole, whole lot about being shat upon. however, if i was a white lesbian (or any color...jussayin).....another issue. b/c of my sexual preference it's decided for me that i can have legal rights with my spouse, but yikes, if i was a lesbian i wouldn't? somehow that doesn't seem fair.

yes, i believe that marriage was intended for a man and a woman, and i personally don't think that God has a friendly eye for the act of homosexuality........but at the same time, back in the day it may not have been quite as big of a LEGAL RIGHTS issue (as far as hospital visits, child custody, etc), and i also think that God is a loving God.....love the person, hate the sin. even if you don't agree with homosexuality, why should they be denied the basic human right to be married?

and goodness i have rambled and my brain is fried......somethings may look/sound weird, so i may have to go back and edit/reply to flames......fair warning. :)

lifesaver....nicely said. and WHOA, cloud9....i actually agree with your original post. ;) and libra, girl, aren't you proud? :D