Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457254)

Agreed, Title IX and IRS designations have nothing to do with each other, but it is the Title IX regulation that forces groups to either be Social Fraternities/Sororities or not Social Fraternities/Sororities. Only Social Fraternities and Sororities have the exemption in Section (A)(6)(a). Not professional F/S, not Honor F/S and not Service F/S. If Delta Sigma Theta were to legally claim to be a Service Sorority rather than a Social Sorority, they would be placing themselves in the legal situation of having to admit men to the collegiate chapters inside the United States. The text of Title IX is at http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/cor/coord/titleixstat.htm . You may want to work through the text of the "Iron Arrow" case http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...l=464&invol=67

As for 501c3 vs 501c7, Alpha Phi Omega is 501c3, but that largely has to do with the fact that when Alpha Phi Omega applied for that status, it was more strongly tied to the Boy Scouts of America. I've seen other service groups that are 501c7.

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457241)

Shrug, what makes a BGLO then?

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1457261)

And I don't need to work through the text of anything. As a member for 38 years, I know the inner workings of my sorority--you don't.

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1457261)

And my point is Title IX did not force us to declare ourselves as a social sorority. We did that when we were founded. So for us Title IX was moot.
We are first and foremost a sisterhood founded for public service. The sisterhood is what makes us social.

And I don't need to work through the text of anything. As a member for 38 years, I know the inner workings of my sorority--you don't.

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1457261)

And my point is Title IX did not force us to declare ourselves as a social sorority. We did that when we were founded. So for us Title IX was moot.
We are first and foremost a sisterhood founded for public service. The sisterhood is what makes us social.

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1457280)

I don't see where naraht said or implied any different. In fact, it sounds like you're in agreement.

I remember when I had this discussion with GC people before I was an Alpha.

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1457261)

And my point is Title IX did not force us to declare ourselves as a social sorority. We did that when we were founded. So for us Title IX was moot.
We are first and foremost a sisterhood founded for public service. The sisterhood is what makes us social.

And I don't need to work through the text of anything. As a member for 38 years, I know the inner workings of my sorority--you don't.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1457267)

The things that cancel groups like APO out.

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1457276)

I think what the question that will eventually be asked is this:

What is the difference (other than Title IX) between Delta declaring themselves to be a service sorority and Alpha Phi Omega actually being a service fraternity? Is it a matter of substance over form? Just curious...

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1457276)

I think what the question that will eventually be asked is this:

What is the difference (other than Title IX) between Delta declaring themselves to be a service sorority and Alpha Phi Omega actually being a service fraternity? Is it a matter of substance over form? Just curious...

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457288)

I sort of wish you had been over on Wikipedia, I've been dealing with this overthere for quite sometime, with an Alpha Phi Alpha brother declaring that Alpha Phi Alpha is a service fraternity. Information from the NIC (which APhiA also belongs to) bylaws hasn't been incredibly convincing to him. And for some reason Alpha Phi Alpha's constitution and bylaws aren't published online...

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457288)

My apologies for misreading. I thought that you were claiming that Title IX didn't apply to you based on IRS status. A6a certainly applies!

I sort of wish you had been over on Wikipedia, I've been dealing with this overthere for quite sometime, with an Alpha Phi Alpha brother declaring that Alpha Phi Alpha is a service fraternity. Information from the NIC (which APhiA also belongs to) bylaws hasn't been incredibly convincing to him. And for some reason Alpha Phi Alpha's constitution and bylaws aren't published online...

Any suggestions for gifts for our Elementary School Principal (who is a DST) for taking a promotion to Title I director for our school system (Montgomery County Maryland)



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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457288)

Any suggestions for gifts for our Elementary School Principal (who is a DST) for taking a promotion to Title I director for our school system (Montgomery County Maryland)

Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1457290)

Could you be a *tiny* bit more specific? :)