The Bible also says that "by their fruits ye shall know them." If an organization is founded on Christian principles, and are doing totally un-Christian things and carrying on in ways that are not by the Bible that is how you can see that.

Many organizations hold things secret, but not their history and why their were founded-- that is usually public knowledge. So if they say they are Christian and don't follow through (as an organization) that is a problem. Sure, you will always have a member or two that does not do the right thing, but that isn't what I'm talking about.

The Bible also says, "faith without works is dead." So to proclaim you're a Christian organization and act another way-- that's not right.

CUPrez

CU Prez, be really, REALLY careful.

The Bible also says, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Accusing others of behaving opposite to Christian virtues can potentially come back to bite you in the behind. You may not "intend" to make accusations, per se, but your words are treading a fine line.

Unless you and your group can claim to be absolutely perfect, never make mistakes, never have an episode of bad judgement, or otherwise engage in wrong doing, you are setting yourself up to be lambasted as hypocrites. **Everyone** makes mistakes at one point or another. **Everyone** makes a judgement call that they would not repeat given another chance. I'll bet members of your group do too, we just don't know about it. It's part of being human and why we need forgiveness.

I would also not condemn anyone for wanting to maintain their privacy. GLOs keep certain things private. Just like you do. If you want your group to be respected, the quickest way to achieve that is to GIVE respect and be patient with people you disagree with.

Jesus didn't condemn the woman busted for adultery. Why are you condeming other Greeks for simply not proclaiming their faith in the same manner that you do?

Just food for thought.

You want to compare Christian organizations $'s donated to charity/service hours to that of regular GLO's?

Go right ahead:D

Many "Christian principles" do not necessitate a belief in Christ to be followed. Christians don't have a corner on loving their neighbor as themselves, turning the other cheek, etc. My ex was (at the time) an atheist and treated others in a far more Christian manner than some of the "Christians" who were shouting all the time about how righteous they were.

I think there are very few mainstream fraternities these days that say they are Christian orgs, since that used to mean that non-Christians were not allowed in.

One thing that has impressed me so much about the AOPi chapter on our campus is their annual babecue for arthritis. This year they raised $15000. Before then, I didn't know any AOPis and hadn't watched them very much to form an opinion, but this definitely gave me a great impression.

I belong to the Baptisit Collegiate Ministries on my campus, and every year we set a goal for our missions fund of $6000. This may not seem like a lot to groups that have 80-150 members, but we've only have about 30 people who were really active and about 15 that helped fundraise, so it was a big deal and something we were proud of when we raised $8-9000 the past few years. There are a lot of other things they do - a couple of years ago, when I wasn't even in school, I was having a hard time paying my bills and they paid my rent. They routinely donate to people's families if they need money for hospital bills, money after a family member dies, etc. My church has been showing the same kind of support to people in the community since it was started 15 years ago.

I personally have 80+service hours this semester - and found most of these opportunities through my church and BCM.

Just because a Chrisitan organization doesn't advertise everything they do in areas of charity or community service doesn't mean it's not there. Most of the good they do isn't advertised because they don't want to call attention to themselves, but to God instead. I'm not saying we're perfect, but I'm also not going to agree that GLOs (mine included) are better because they do so much to help their charities and do advertise it.

[QUOTE= To be a Christian is to be like Christ and if you can not accomplish that task than you will be going to hell.


Just a little gospel note

Pinkice9[/QUOTE]

THAT MEANS THAT SO MANY CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO THIS SUPPOSSE HELL FOR CHRIST WAS A MAN OF ACCEPTANCE HE TOLD THE CLERGY MEN OF THAT TIME HE DID NOT COME TO HEAL THOSE WHO WERE WELL BUT TO BE AMOUNG THE SICK SO IF JESUS WAS NOT RUNNING AROUNG SPOUTING OUT HELL TO EVERY SINNER THAN THESE SO CALLED CHRISTAINS SHOULD NOT EITHER FOR JESUS GREATEST COMMANDANT WAS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE

Next time try using commas, periods, spelling, and less caps lock.

Umm...what?

You make no sense...and you're continually dredging up 6 year old threads. That's annoying. Stop it.

I thought Jesus was a Sigma Chi? :( Wow, I'm just soooo confused.... I mean, everyone KNOWS that Moses was a TKE!

Moses a TKE....you must be kidding.

Nothing of the sort! Mary Magdalene is a Theta Phi Alpha by the way, too. :rolleyes:

I'm very close to locking this thread due to the fact that it is discussing nothing even close to its topic.

Also, I think Kappa Sigma is the only organization old enough to claim Moses.

I don't think anyone would cry over that.

Dude, you need to go back to Hebrew school. Everyone knows that Moses was an AEPi.

Well, I WAS going to say that, but I thought it would be too stereotypical.

Unless of course we're talking about my cousin, Moishe Stein. ;) And his friend Jesus Maria Rivera.