This entire post gave me a stroke :(

You're a hypocrite.

And LOL @ SAM knowing how to "do" a fraternity.

First off I would like to mention that the KA Society is by your definition legit in that it has 26 chapters and it is considered the first fraternity. Second just because somebody operates differently then you do doesn't mean they are a good organization. I would love to see where you see in an organizations rituals that allow the type of behavior you are condemning. And as for you making fun of new fraternities, SAM isn't even 100 years old yet.

Why does it matter? I thought your point was that numbers don't correllate to how strong a fraternity is (which most here would agree with).

But since you asked (and if two digits is your criteria of "legit"):

Some fraternities older than Sigma Chi (1855):

Kappa Alpha Society (1825): 14 active chapters
Sigma Phi (1827): 10 active chapters
Delta Phi (1827): 14 active chapters
Psi Upsilon (1833): 28 active chapters
Delta Upsilon (1834): 84 active chapters
Beta Theta Pi (1839): 118 active chapters and colonies
Chi Psi (1841): 29 active chapters
Delta Kappa Epsilon (1844): 66 active chapters
Theta Delta Chi (1847): 31 active chapters and colonies
Zeta Psi (1847): 47 active chapters
Phi Delta Theta (1848): 160 active chapters and colonies
Phi Gamma Delta (1848): 120 active chapters and colonies
Phi Kappa Psi (1852): 97 active chapters and colonies
Alpha Sigma Phi (1854): 68 cative chapters

(Members of these groups, correct me please if my numbers are wrong.)

Good grief. The one being immature here, if anyone is, is you. Before you post on a forum where you're new, you might want to take some time to get a feel for it. That you way, you might learn that you are likely to get some heat when you resurrect an old thread just to say "you people make me sick" and make points already made years ago.

Not to mention that, according to you, the Sigma Chis at your school "don't develop character nor prove you fufill being a true man."

But you're not bashing other fraternities. :rolleyes:

It surprises me how fellow greeks as yourself fail to understand where I am coming from. BTW it's SAM's 100 anniversary this year =)

I never said that other organizations are greater or less than Sigma Alpha Mu. I am just claiming that I have seen greatness in my organization and I am very proud of it. Your acting as I shouldn't have any right to say Sigma Alpha Mu is a great organization and the chapter I was in knew how to run things correctly.

I went to a small college, not a large one which is probably a huge factor. I am sure you have good organizations at large schools, but I have seen it to be more common at larger colleges for fraternities to actually haze and pretty much defile the entire concept of a fraternity. There are lots of people that take it too far. I am not saying you can't reproduce what SAM does, but some people think they do and they normally don't. A pure example of this is a college where SAM is at and it's not #1. Oh well, that's normal. Or a college that doesn't have SAM. Who cares?

My chapter works hard to be a good fraternity and produces results. Are you jealous because yours doesn't? I just don't understand why your acting all offended that my organization just happens to be the most dominant at my college. You don't see me getting mad if your organization was the best at your college.

Fantastic, you like your fraternity. Congratulations to you. Still no reason to take shots at other fraternities, take shots at others' rituals (which, to be honest, you probably don't even know), or to post the rest of this garbage.

No offense, but it happens. I am sure there is a SAM chapter that sucks which I have seen. While Sigma Chi has good guys, I don't see any of them doing as much as SAMs do at my school and some of the things they have done, just show something isn't right.

And ok fair enough but still many go for Sigma Chi just because of the name and the alumni. When I rushed at my college, I rushed Sigma Chi because of the name. I didn't go with them in the end since I felt as I connected better with SAM.

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

I'm not taking shots at their ritual but when you see people literally die going greek, do you think that's ok? I think not.

And sides, rituals are not all identical nationwide. Chapters most likely have to localize them usually depending on their location so don't think because I don't like a certain way a ritual is done (usually because it's flat out bad and isn't smart) doesn't mean I don't like anyone elses ritual.

Oh, you mean like this? http://www.topix.com/student-societi...for-four-years

I can use google, too.

Oh - there is a difference between "their", "there", and "they're". Usually I have to be paid to edit, but for you - free!

eta - Seriously, you need to dial down the rhetoric about other fraternities. We have enough non-Greeks being judgemental, drawing hasty conclusions and making gross generalizations. We don't need fellow Greeks doing the same.

Hey I am well aware of that incident. That shit is tragic as hell. I hope the SAMs at that chapter get prison for life for disgracing it's good name. Since my chapter isn't stupid enough to do that shit and we look out for each other.

But hey w/e I'm going to be the courteous and kind SAM that I am and leave this topic be. Let the haters be mad at Sammy greatness. I really don't care. Maybe you should have spent your time making your organizations great and if they are, you should just enjoy it and let me enjoy my greatness. Im sure every fraternity out there can produce what my chapter produces and does so on at a daily basis. Awesome. Go greek. Stop being sore at me for not liking fucked up chapters in an organization. Everyone has them. Even SAM has them, oh well.

I just feel sorry that you can't be as proud of w/e org you got. Maybe one day you can stop caring about what everyone else says and does and maybe make great things come true yourself. Peace out, fast and firm 4 life!

The possesive form of "it" is "its", not "it's". Perhaps you should look into taking some English classes.

If I were a SAM, I'd be embarassed to call you brother. The funniest thing is you feel that you are representing your GLO well. No one here cares what your opinion is - they have just called out for being an ignorant, self-important hypocrite. We all are secure enough in our GLOs that we don't have to indulge in chest-thumping attacks on other GLOs.

If you really were as proud of SAM as you say you are, you wouldn't feel the need to bash other groups in some lame attempt at self-gratification. (insert Beavis and Butthead laugh here).

Oh, and I predict his "flounce" doesn't last. But a girl can dream.

Beta Theta Pi - 118 chapters

Phi Delta Theta - 160 chapters


"Decent" numbers, I think.

eta - This thread is missing a lolcat, er, dog.
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I feel pretty safe saying that no fraternity's ritual, including SAM's, condones hazing. much less death.

Wait, you've been courteous and we missed it? Dang!

No one is mad at "Sammy's greatness." :rolleyes: I for one am glad you're proud of your fraternity -- every fraternity member should be.

But here's an idea: If you want to sound courteous, not to mention sound like you're not nursing a really sad inferiority complex, try talking up your fraternity without talking down other fraternities. Try telling us why you think SAM is great with comparing it to other fraternities.

BTW it's SAM's 100 anniversary this year

If no one here said it, then let me be the first to say....HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY TO SAM!!!!!

Either way a Jewish only fraternity for half of it's fraternity life-span is naturally not going to have alot of chapters. Look at ZBT and AEP. They are pretty much on the same boat.

And just an FYI...ZBT is not a Jewish only fraternity....it has been a nonsectarian fraternity for the last 20 years. I cannot say the same for AEPi. I am not familar with the composition of their brotherhood.

ZBT:"Honoring the Past, Celebrating the Present & Impacting the Future."

Yeah you should be proud without having to put down or even compare to other fraternities. Like the community service thing of your campus I think is great. But here is an example of a way you can be proud of your national org without mentioning any other org in particular.

"Psi Upsilon was a leader in the fraternity world. being the first fraternity to adapt features that became commonplace/ Examples are the first songboook, first fraternity history, first national convention, first alumni catalog and first fraternity newsletter."

Yes, you bashed other groups. Don't try to deny it or cover it up.. oh, wait, you already did that...

I think your "facts" from the first and second statements are completely different. But you were probably just trying to cover your ass. Understandable.

What??

Ugh. I have a headache. And I don't think I want to hear the word "great" ever again.

Do you have something against Sigma Chi? And just because you rushed them for superficial reasons, it doesn't mean that everyone else did so, too.

Seriously, I don't think you use the word "great" enough.

I am a member of AST, one of the smallest NPC sororities. Here's how I could have approached the same topic and effectively made my point...

Even though AST is one of the smallest sororities nationally, it is an amazing organization. My chapter alone puts in countless hours of community service, and our members take part in numerous activities in addition to our studies. Speaking of which, we have a very high GPA, and we pride ourselves on the fact that we won the award at Convention for having the highest GPA out of all of the AST chapters! Even though AST isn't the largest sorority, it is definitely the best sorority for me.

And here's the statement I would make if I wished to have people here on Greekchat get mad at me, like they did with you...

AST is the best sorority on my campus. Everyone likes us... the guys, the professors... we are GREAT! The ASA's are ok, but they just don't live up to great ideals and values like we do. And the TPAs are close to getting kicked off campus because their not-so-great ritual is killing members! I know that other AST chapters aren't that great, but that's ok, because mine is the best, and being the best here is all I need! Because we're great.

Seeing the difference? I hope so. Oh, and take note of the GREAT spelling and grammar of all of the posters here. People might take you a little more seriously if you sound somewhat intelligent.