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mbatisah 12-25-2014 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2303074)
Dude, weren't you just banned? (No one else uses the word "townee")

Really, dude?

I guess that means I'm Jay Campbell from Sigma Nu. Or Trevor Johnson, also from Sigma Nu. Or Jake Pinnochio from Sigma Nu. Etc., etc. I also post under username docetboy, a SAE, here at GC sometimes, as well as Terminus1909, a ?. One time I wrote the Delta Upsilon bylaws. I also wrote the SigEp bylaws. (And all that's just from page 1 of Google!)

So, yes - I am a Sigma Nu who was initiated into two different chapters (one of them, twice), but I pretend to be a SAE online, and, in my spare time, I secretly control DU and SigEp. Caught me!

P.S. I'm also the second gunman from the grassy knoll and I helped NASA fake the moon landing.

AZTheta 12-25-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303064)
GDI - if you’re still checking-in I wanted to chime in with my thoughts as a long-time lurker, first-time poster.

First, I absolutely empathize with you. I pledged a fraternity in college, was initiated and spent two years as an active live-in. I then moved into an off-campus apartment with a pledge brother. Due to an intense schedule with other activities I essentially had no more contact with my fraternity after becoming a townee. It's very easy to drift apart if you don't make an effort and, to my regret, I did not. I was also punched into a class society and decided not to accept it and regret that too. So I can, of course, understand your regret in having not pledged a fraternity at all.

THAT SAID, a few things to keep in mind ...

(a) the vast majority (80%+) of American college students are exactly like you and have also never pledged a fraternity, so though you may feel you are missing out on a certain experience, keep in mind you are not missing out on the "typical” American college experience,

(b) in professional life your fraternity affiliation, or lack thereof, will probably never come up despite popular fiction that says people will constantly be trading stories (it's been 10 years since I've graduated and my fraternity affiliation has come up exactly 2 times with clients and co-workers and both times it was because I mentioned it; maybe that's just the field or geography in which I work [advertising / NYC]),

(c) I know this isn't going to sound like logical advice from where you're sitting, however, if you are very active in your school's alumni association, the connection you will come to realize you have with fellow alumni of your school - even if you didn't know them as an undergrad - will be almost as enduring as the fraternal bond (though of a necessarily different type). The essence of the fraternity experience is the connection with a group of people who went through the same thing you did and it’s why fraternity brothers can feel a bond with a frater who is 50 years older. But the same thing is true, to an extent, with alumni of the same university.

(d) As others have said, you should investigate Freemasonry (this is, IMO, *inferior* to the bond created by a fraternity experience, but it is not worthless – you should focus your efforts , if you decide to go this route, on a Traditional Observance Lodge),

(e) You will absolutely create greater friendships and better life connections serving in the U.S. military, which is essentially its own fraternity, than you would in any fraternity. (Plus you will get even more and cooler stuff to hang on your walls than a pledge paddle and composite photo.) Consider joining the National Guard. If you don't want to spend 4 months in basic training, the Coast Guard Reserve has an accelerated training option for those with college degrees who aren't interested in becoming officers and you can complete it in (IIRC) 4 weeks plus some supplementary weekends.

Now, to your specific question:

REALISTICALLY, no one is going to pledge you as a graduate student and certainly no ‘top tier’ fraternity at your campus.

HOWEVER, having said that (I'm going to be extremely frank in what follows, and I apologize in advance as I know it will offend a number of people here, but I want to cut to the case) - at my particular university there were probably 2-3 houses in the "bottom tier" of fraternities (in terms of social standing), and I would not be surprised if they would have been willing to pledge a young graduate student (assuming their policies allowed it). If you are absolutely intent on doing this you should try to find a few houses on your campus that have low membership numbers and a low social standing (look for colonies perhaps) and make a soft email inquiry to their rush chairs explaining the situation. A non-residential fraternity could also be a clue - at my campus where all fraternities had been residential for the last century, an unhoused fraternity was essentially socially "untouchable" within the Greek system and would be anxious to take anyone. Again, I know this isn't exactly what you want to hear (and I’m sure I’m going to get flack from this off the regulars here), but I don't want to mislead you with platitudes.
Now, to the other scenario you proposed (a second undergraduate degree) - if you are going to get a second degree you could most probably find a lower tier house (or colony) willing to pledge you. I emphasize it would be lower tier.

Having said all this, if I were in your position I would not pursue pledging a fraternity. I would,
(a) become very active in your alumni association, (b) petition your local Masonic lodge for admission [I strongly recommend you look for a Traditionally Observant Lodge], (c) join a military reserve component. If you do those three things you will find yourself with more fraternalism than you could ever have achieved through a GLO.

You seem like a fine young man, so I wish you the very best of luck. Please feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss this more or have additional questions.

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303075)
Really, dude?

I guess that means I'm Jay Campbell from Sigma Nu. Or Trevor Johnson, also from Sigma Nu. Or Jake Pinnochio from Sigma Nu. Etc., etc. I also post under username docetboy, a SAE, here at GC sometimes, as well as Terminus1909, a ?. One time I wrote the Delta Upsilon bylaws. I also wrote the SigEp bylaws. (And all that's just from page 1 of Google!)

So, yes - I am a Sigma Nu who was initiated into two different chapters (one of them, twice), but I pretend to be a SAE online, and, in my spare time, I secretly control DU and SigEp. Caught me!

P.S. I'm also the second gunman from the grassy knoll and I helped NASA fake the moon landing.

:rolleyes: PTITY?

als463 12-25-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303075)
Really, dude?

I guess that means I'm Jay Campbell from Sigma Nu. Or Trevor Johnson, also from Sigma Nu. Or Jake Pinnochio from Sigma Nu. Etc., etc. I also post under username docetboy, a SAE, here at GC sometimes, as well as Terminus1909, a ?. One time I wrote the Delta Upsilon bylaws. I also wrote the SigEp bylaws. (And all that's just from page 1 of Google!)

So, yes - I am a Sigma Nu who was initiated into two different chapters (one of them, twice), but I pretend to be a SAE online, and, in my spare time, I secretly control DU and SigEp. Caught me!

P.S. I'm also the second gunman from the grassy knoll and I helped NASA fake the moon landing.

I have to say that this is the first time I've ever heard/ seen anyone suggest joining the military because they didn't go Greek in college. You don't know the OP's physical or mental abilities so, you really shouldn't suggest that. That was just plain weird.

mbatisah 12-25-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2303078)
I have to say that this is the first time I've ever heard/ seen anyone suggest joining the military because they didn't go Greek in college. You don't know the OP's physical or mental abilities so, you really shouldn't suggest that. That was just plain weird.

dial it back a little

thanks

als463 12-25-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303079)
dial it back a little

thanks

Dial it back a little? No, I won't. As someone who served in the military, I find it offensive that you just offer that up like anyone and everyone can serve if they didn't get the chance to go Greek in college. You need to "dial it back a little" yourself. You don't know if this person has the physical capability or what skills he may possess to make him suitable for military service. You also had the audacity to refer to the Free Masons as being inferior. I'm sure their many members who have belonged to the Masons, an organization that has been around for many years (longer than any GLO), would disagree with you. Also, as someone who is incredibly involved in various alumni associations, I'm here to tell you that it is nothing like Greek membership. While my alumni association membership has been a blessing, it does not mirror my Greek membership. If anyone needs to dial it back, it's you with your horrible advice.

mbatisah 12-25-2014 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2303089)
Dial it back a little? No, I won't. As someone who served in the military, I find it offensive that you just offer that up like anyone and everyone can serve if they didn't get the chance to go Greek in college. You need to "dial it back a little" yourself. You don't know if this person has the physical capability or what skills he may possess to make him suitable for military service. You also had the audacity to refer to the Free Masons as being inferior. I'm sure their many members who have belonged to the Masons, an organization that has been around for many years (longer than any GLO), would disagree with you. Also, as someone who is incredibly involved in various alumni associations, I'm here to tell you that it is nothing like Greek membership. While my alumni association membership has been a blessing, it does not mirror my Greek membership. If anyone needs to dial it back, it's you with your horrible advice.

OK, so just FYI, if you don't think people give-out advice about joining the military on message boards, I strongly suggest you stay away from military.com's forum "advice on joining" and, well, basically the rest of the internet. As for your concern that I don't know his BMI or standing heart rate ... uh ... there's this thing called MEPS ... he can't print-out my post and use it to go straight from GreekChat into an IT battalion on the DMZ.

I'm sorry I've upset you so terribly, but I do hope you feel better.

(P.S. As a brother of one of the oldest Research Lodges in the U.S., and a member of the Grand College of Rites, I thank you for letting me know the Masons have "been around for many years." [sic] Valuable information, indeed.)

als463 12-25-2014 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303090)
OK, so just FYI, if you don't think people give-out advice about joining the military on message boards, I strongly suggest you stay away from military.com's forum "advice on joining" and, well, basically the rest of the internet. As for your concern that I don't know his BMI or standing heart rate ... uh ... there's this thing called MEPS ... he can't print-out my post and use it to go straight from GreekChat into an IT battalion on the DMZ.

I'm sorry I've upset you so terribly, but I do hope you feel better.

(P.S. As a brother of one of the oldest Research Lodges in the U.S., and a member of the Grand College of Rites, I thank you for letting me know the Masons have "been around for many years." [sic] Valuable information, indeed.)

Trying to tell people to simply "join the military" to fill in for not going Greek is just bad advice. It's much more than just BMI and standing heart rate so, take a seat. It may be hard for you to admit it but, you need to face the fact that the advice you gave was reallly bad. As far as the lodges go, I find it even more disturbing that you speak so disparagingly about Free Masons (calling them inferior) when you claim to be a member. I don't need your condescending tone about me being "upset" and needing to feel better when you are new here and dispense horrible advice. I'm not upset but, I would feel better if people like you wouldn't just pass off the military or "inferior" organizations in lieu of going Greek on a Greek forum.

Now, I hope you feel better. :rolleyes:

mbatisah 12-25-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2303091)
Trying to tell people to simply "join the military" to fill in for not going Greek is just bad advice. It's much more than just BMI and standing heart rate so, take a seat. It may be hard for you to admit it but, you need to face the fact that the advice you gave was reallly bad. As far as the lodges go, I find it even more disturbing that you speak so disparagingly about Free Masons (calling them inferior) when you claim to be a member. I don't need your condescending tone about me being "upset" and needing to feel better when you are new here and dispense horrible advice. I'm not upset but, I would feel better if people like you wouldn't just pass off the military or "inferior" organizations in lieu of going Greek on a Greek forum.

Now, I hope you feel better. :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to be condescending, your previous two posts just communicate the sense of a person who is horribly upset.

As for my advice, I stand by it 100%. If you have different experience during your time as a Master Mason or your experience with MEPS, by all means offer it up. However, in life you'll find many people have different opinions from your own and simply yelling "Take it back! Take back what you said!" usually doesn't promote rational dialog.

There's no reason anyone should get themselves as terribly worked up as you've got yourself because someone disagreed with you on an internet forum. Have a glass of water, take a short walk, and just cool down a bit.

33girl 12-26-2014 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2303077)
:rolleyes: PTITY?

Can't be. He's dead. The association, however, is accurate and really disturbing. Considering he called the OP a "fine young man" - that kinda says it all.

AZTheta 12-26-2014 09:22 AM

No, my memory just kicked in: it's the guy who posted the thread "newbie inquiry on DU" - remember that guy? He got banned. That's who this guy is. Same writing style, same attitude, same condescension, same pedanticism, same same same.

Yawn.

als463 12-26-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303092)
I'm not trying to be condescending, your previous two posts just communicate the sense of a person who is horribly upset.

As for my advice, I stand by it 100%. If you have different experience during your time as a Master Mason or your experience with MEPS, by all means offer it up. However, in life you'll find many people have different opinions from your own and simply yelling "Take it back! Take back what you said!" usually doesn't promote rational dialog.

There's no reason anyone should get themselves as terribly worked up as you've got yourself because someone disagreed with you on an internet forum. Have a glass of water, take a short walk, and just cool down a bit.

I'm far from "angry" and your responses to me tell me that you have no idea about me. I'm not a Mason but, I'm married to one. As far as the military goes, this is not about you disagreeing with me. I find it offensive for you to offer that up on a silver platter to some random stranger you know nothing about. It's offensive to those who have worn the uniform. I sincerely hope no one chooses to take your advice. I actually question how honest you have been this entire time about your career and experiences. I don't need someone like you being condescending because you know nothing about me. You come on GC and start dispensing horrible advice, acting condescending to GC members, and telling people that they need to "dial it bacK" and they must be angry because they see right through you. That doesn't make me angry. That makes me sad to know people like you exist.

mbatisah 01-03-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2303111)
I'm not a Mason

correct

mbatisah 01-03-2015 09:12 AM

accidental double-post

als463 01-03-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mbatisah (Post 2303526)
correct

Your lack of intelligence is showing. :rolleyes:

mbatisah 01-03-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by als463
You also had the audacity to refer to the Free Masons

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Originally Posted by als463
I'm not a Mason

So, to clarify, the last page of posts in which you absolutely savaged me with insult upon insult was all to race to the "defense" of an organization of which you're not a member ... but of which I am? (And, an unnecessary defense, I might add, as the insult you convinced yourself had occurred was non-existent - a fact you would most certainly understand if you had a working knowledge of the craft.) I suspect if we compared DD214s a similar admission would eventually surface, vis a vis your qualifications to comment on matters of a military nature.

At this point I think my previous counsel for you to "dial it back" may be worthy of revisit. You've worked yourself up into a bit of a whirling dervish for, what appears to be, a very unusual reason and I don't think anything is being served by you continuing this spectacle in public. Don't you agree? I'm sure you do.


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