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I love these maps, but I have to admit that as I was looking at the first one, I stupidly was impressed that ADPi had colonized in Cuba and the Carribbean. Then it dawned on me that that was the legend for the color coding.

Great work, and thanks for sharing!

I'd like to be superior to you about that, but I thought the same thing! We might need to get some rest.

As interesting as it would be were we to colonize the Atlantic Ocean, I don't think it's open for expansion:p

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YES--the maps!! And they're even color coded with appropriate colors! Looks like all the groups (on the maps up so far) are doing a lot of expanding.

Love the maps!!! Thanks for doing this!

Thanks so much, y'all! I'm doing these randomly (with the exception of ADPi), so if I haven't done your group yet I promise I harbor no resentment and have picked no favorites. If anyone has any internships that involve doing research for Greek life this summer I would love to hear about them, btw.

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Looking at all the maps together, there are A LOT of colonizations going on in the east - and especially toward the northeast - but not much in the west. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2253665)

I didn't know what everyone was referring to in regard to the maps that were made, but these are awesome :)

I think we might need a separate maps thread......

:D

Agreed...and stickied. They will be hard to find under this thread title.

Thanks, clemsongirl!

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2253737)

Looking at all the maps together, there are A LOT of colonizations going on in the east - and especially toward the northeast - but not much in the west. Interesting.

Just wait until AOII... they have been on fire on the west coast!

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Originally Posted by GreenBookGirl (Post 2253747)

Just wait until AOII... they have been on fire on the west coast!

True. And AGD, too.

I think I'm just amazed at the number of colonizations, in total. What's the average number of NPC colonizations per year in the last five?

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2253753)

I think I'm just amazed at the number of colonizations, in total. What's the average number of NPC colonizations per year in the last five?

I counted the total number of colonizations in the 2012-2013 expansions/colonizations thread not too long ago, and I believe it was about 70. I just skimmed over the 2013-2014 thread and it looks to be about the same.

ETA: 2011-2012 was about 60. 2010-2011 was about 40. 2009-2010 was about 60. 2008-2009 was about 60.

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 2253634)

As long as Beta Upsilon Chi allows duel membership (i.e. in BYX and in a "general" social GLO) they are not be eligible to join the NIC. However, a BYX chapter may join a campus’ IFC if that campus allows it. This seems to be the case at Tennessee.

For what it is worth, there have been “informal” discussions within the NIC regarding the possibility of grand-fathering organizations that allow duel membership. The GLO wanting to join the NIC would have to move to single membership, but the NIC would not require the individuals to renounce one of their memberships. In other words, if you were a member of both BYX and a current NIC organization, the NIC would allow the individual to continue to be a member of both. However, one or both organizations might require a member to “drop” membership in the other to remain a member. That membership issue would be up to the organizations.

There is a historical president for this. For example, Delta Chi initially was a “professional fraternity” for law students and some members also held membership in “general" / "social” fraternities as well. Delta Chi moved to single membership in the early 1900s which allowed them to become a member of the NIC. My understanding (I’m not sure on this, so perhaps a Delta Chi might be able to confirm) is that the members of Delta Chi who held duel membership prior to Delta Chi moving to single membership were allowed to “keep” both memberships.

Now the other side of the current duel membership discussion is that the NIC should require the individual with duel memberships to resign from one of the organizations. I suspect that could be a deal breaker for some GLOs that might consider joining the NIC.

As for Sigma Phi Epsilon leaving the NIC, I haven’t heard any specific talk about them doing so. (Doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.) But what is interesting is that since the NIC’s founding, many members have left and then rejoined later. And it seems like one or more NIC member is considering doing so at any given time.

I have heard that since Kappa Sigma and Phi Delta Theta left the NIC, there have been “unofficial” discussions regarding one or both rejoining the NIC. As such, and given the history of GLOs leaving and rejoining, it wouldn’t surprise me if either fraternity returned -- or if one or both elected to continue to remain independent of the NIC (for the time being).

As for Kappa Sigma’s recruitment success, that really is not due to them leaving the NIC as the NIC does not have quotas or chapter totals. Kappa Sigma seems to simply be doing well with their process. And they have been opening more chapters in recent years as well. That has also contributed to an increase in their numbers.

TSteven -- thanks for all the great info/insight! Also, forgive me if I implied that Kappa Sig's recruitment success was tied to them leaving NIC. Not at all. I just meant that they've seen a lot of success even though they aren't members. I think, for the reasons you gave, they would have experienced the same results whether they were NIC members or not. :)

I think it will be interesting to watch BYX as they continue to grow and/if campus cultures change. I wonder if, going forward, we'll see more schools choosing not to recognize organizations that are tied to a specific faith or denomination. If so, I wonder how BYX will choose to handle that. It honestly won't surprise me if they do join the NIC at some point. NIC doesn't tell members who they have to extend bids to, and like all fraternities, BYX would continue to seek men who they believe to be a good fit for the organization.

Thanks again for the info!

I've thought about the inclusion of another 27th member of the NPC.

(Remember, there were other groups in the NPC, as associates or full members: Beta Phi Alpha, Beta Sigma Omicron, Delta Sigma Epsilon, Lambda Omega, Theta Sigma Upsilon, Theta Upsilon, Sigma Phi Beta, Iota Alpha Pi, Pi Kappa Sigma, Alpha Delta Theta- all were absorbed except IAPi)

Maybe Kappa Beta Gamma will finally affiliate, as they have been working hard to expand. If not them, probably not anyone else.

Other groups have found their niches in other umbrella organizations. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, so to speak.

Other umbrella organizations similar to the NPC died out- the National Junior College Panhellenic, the Association of Educational Sororities. Junior Coll Panhel died out and so did its sororities- ex. Eta Upsilon Gamma.

AES folded because the NPC invited the sororities to membership. And the AES sororities lost members b/c dual memberships were not allowed. ASA, AST and SSS survived, but Theta Sig Up went to AGD, PSK to Sig Kap, and DSE to DZ.

NPC has strict rules which some sororities might not want to deal with, esp if they are thriving without NPC membership. Random fact- part of the reason NPC wouldn't allow Achoth to join was b/c Achoth did not have a Greek letter name... enter Phi Omega Pi.)

I also feel that some sororities will choose to leave the NPC, although that does make me sad. IAPi left the NPC when its numbers dropped, sadly they couldn't stay afloat. Hopefully if a sorority leaves the NPC, they'll be able to thrive!

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis (Post 2253536)

I counted based on the "black" chapters on Irishpipes list, so it doesn't include anything beyond this spring. Here we go!

Chi Omega 178
Delta Zeta 161
Alpha Phi 161
Kappa Delta 154
ADPI 150
ZTA 163
DG 146
Kappa 141
Tri Delta 138
AChiO 136
Pi Phi 136
Theta 134
Gamma Phi 131
AOPi 131
AGD 122
AXiD 123
Phi Mu 120
Sigma Kappa 113
Phi Sig 109
Tri Sigma 107
ASA 89
AST 89
DPhiE 89
SDT 58
Theta Phi 55
AEPhi 52

I thought it was also interesting to see the concentration of some sororities. The sororities represented in the most states or provinces (including DC) are

DG in 46
Theta, Kappa and Pi Phi in 45
Alpha Phi in 44
Chi Omega in 43
AGD in 41
AXiD, AOPi, AChiO and DZ in 40
ADPi,Tri Delta and KD in 38
Gamma Phi in 37
Sigma Kappa and ZTA in 36
ASA in 31
Tri Sigma in 29
Phi Mu in 27
AST in 26
Phi Sig in 24
DPhiE in 23
AEPhi in 22
SDT in 18
Theta Phi in 16

I also looked at which sororities are the largest regionally. These sororities have an average of 4 chapters or more per state or province:
Gamma Phi (4)
DZ (4)
ZTA (4.7)
KD (4.1)
Phi Mu (4.4)
Phi Sig (4.5)
Chi O (4.14)

Thanks Just interested! But I won't add new additions. I'm not Irishpipes!

So I'm a liar. I did a few updates on the top list. Let me know and I'll update as requested.