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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1837380)

It's quite relevant in that it shows that the secret service did not allow him to remain in the area for security purposes. So one has to wonder why they allowed it in this instance. Security may get more intense for a President, but it won't get any more lax than the basics.

As for your sarcastic comment about him having it while he was running errands, it is not unheard of for people if they are used to carrying something every day and there is an instance where they are supposed to take it off and they forget to would sit here and try to act as though that is bizarre just shows that you want to be difficult.

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1837502)

I have already answered that. I'm not sure why you are still experiencing confusion or why you have difficulty seeing the relevance.

And like I said, when he went out to see the president, it was a matter of just standing outside to catch a glimpse as bush left. So yes, he forgot to leave the gun in the car. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? :confused:

When I have carried a firearm, I have never, ever FORGOTTEN I was carrying it. The only other people I can think of on GC who have spoken on their gun ownership are honeychile and DGTess, but I believe we've all have had training (I have had pistol and rifle marksmanship courses) and that is part of the training. You don't forget you have your weapon, and you assume all weapons are loaded and ready to fire at all times. That's basic firearm safety and this person you're mentioning works in a gun store and really should know better.

I mean if I am going to and from the field and carrying a weapon, I am not going to stop in at the bank or on campus, where guns are verboten and just forget I have it.

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1837722)

Yeah I don't know how you can forget you have a deadly weapon on your person, especially as a firearm has a good weight to it. If you do, you shouldn't be carrying, because that is incredibly irresponsible.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1837727)

I understand your point, but I don't think anyone other than that person can determine what someone may or may not forget. One of the guys at a firearms store here was telling me about an instance with an FBI agent a few years ago who was used to carrying his gun on his person in a certain place. One morning he switched it to a different spot and when something went down, he was shot because he wasted too much time trying to find his gun. Most people would think that he should have just been able to feel the weight of it and reached for it, but that wasn't the case. Some people carry it so often that they are no longer that sensitive to the weight of it.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1837675)

Where did you read that? The reports I read all said he was outside the convention center while Obama was inside. No report I have seen has mentioned whether he was where he could be near the president as he arrive at or left the convention center.

Per the article linked in the opening post, the secret service said that the guy with the rifle "was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to" enter the site they were controlling for the president. Thus, they were not concerned and left it for local police to handle as they usually would.

Generally they don't just care whether the person is entering the premises or not. That's why they take precautions for areas at least two miles around. From what I have read, this man was milling about with people who were protesting healthcare. Those people weren't a great distance away from the actual building.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1837665)

So you can make the shot that a bunch of professional snipers tried to recreate and fail? The building Oswald fired from was not cleared because it wasn't really a good location to hit a moving target.

I don't even concern myself with Oswald and Depository.

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1837907)

I don't even concern myself with Oswald and Depository.

I'm was just saying that they couldn't have predicted President Kennedy being shot. With these guys, they are all carrying their guns openly, and I'm sure the second one reach for his, he is going down hard.

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No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

So tell me again ... what's the NEWS here?

Legal behavior. Legal people. 1st Amendment. 2nd Amendment.

And, oh, by the way ... shall we define "assault weapon" or are we content simply to toss the term around.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1837945)

Actually they could have predicted the possibility of him being shot. Here's why:
1. He was the President.
2. Presidents get threats.
3. He was riding in a car with an open top.
4. They had received information about serious threats aagainst his life. In fact he had been advised not to go there in the first place because of the negative sentiment towards him.

As for the reaction time...
A shoe was thrown at president bush. Two shoes in fact. They certainly didn't react in a timely manner in that instance.

Also, think about it this way, THESE guys may have been only interested in protesting on the gun control issue, but who is to say that someone who REALLY intends to kill Obama won't try to masquerade as though they are protesting gun control and then fire off shots?